The limit is wherever CCP decides it is. That’s in the agreements you make when you start playing.
The EVE gambling sites were ‘legal’ until CCP decided they weren’t and shut them down. You won’t get a “legal definition” in advance that you can hold anyone to.
Do your thing, if it works, great. If it’s not overly impactful on the game and isn’t egregiously a nuisance, you’ll likely be fine. If it makes a lot of noise, interferes with enough vested interests, or otherwise seems unsuitable to CCP, they’ll shut you down. You’ll have no recourse to “but the terms said…” because those terms give CCP full discretion anywhere, anytime, on any issue.
Yes, I understand that when I read the general terms and conditions. However, there is still a general legal framework that companies must adhere to.
Companies cannot use their general terms and conditions to set arbitrary rules that, for example, contradict state legal frameworks or attempt to contradict them.
Which legal system actually applies to EvE Online?
Server location? That would then be English law, because the main server location is certainly in London.
Company location? That would actually be Iceland or maybe a Caribbean island?
I am going to do the cardinal sin of being the logical and person of open debate and ask why on earth would you care about how CCP handles their legal affairs? Follow what CCP says and just do what you want to do.
Why would any average joe gamer care about how a company follows laws and whatnot? They come home. Fire up EVE and play with their friends. Simple. (Sometimes simplification is best in a debate)
At this point dude, I would go talk to a lawyer who specializes in the digital world. I can safely say most of us are not lawyers. Do you suspect CCP is doing something illegal? I just get that vibe that these questions are for something much larger than what you said in your OP.
CCP’s parent company got a legal team whose sole goal is to make sure they comply with any regional law and so on.
I feel like I’m talking to a GM when I discuss with you, do you work for CCP?
I’m just asking, especially as a player I want to be informed exactly where I spend my free time and what the rules apply there, especially if you pay money for it. Parents are also interested in this for their children.
It’s exactly the opposite of how you describe it: people should be exactly informed about how the entire framework behaves.
Yah in reality most really don’t care and just press accept because they just want to play the game.
Many EVE YT videos that showcase what content EVE is showing to players.
Don’t have to give CCP a dime. I never did for 4 years. The game is designed that the average player should never break a rule during “normal” gameplay. Alot of this really just requires common sense and asking the question “Is what I am about to do against the rules?” If you have to ask that the answer is probably yes.
I’m not talking about the content here, but rather what goes behind the content, especially the legal framework. This is not about game content, but rather about legal framework conditions.
With all due respect, how naive are your points of view? The games industry is a billion-dollar industry. These are not charitable organizations that provide gaming fun out of charity, but rather companies that want to make money, especially with children and young people under 18. That’s why you should be very well informed and have companies in this area to be as transparent as possible, the opposite is usually the case.
Well gl in your mission to make things more transparent. Seems like a lost cause to me considering most don’t know or care about the legal aspects of games.
Game fun = I play it. Is what people usually think.
ISK and PLEX to us eve gamers, outside of eve, is worthless. CCP turns the PLEX into actual currency for them. PLEX used in game to buy omega or whatever else was already purchased using real currency, so CCP just turns it back into currency.
3rd party rules dictate that sites like zkill or whatever cannot accept real money and must use isk as donations or payment.
To add to this, if you want any services done, isk is to be payment as well, like stories or artwork, eve related.
Eh, dunno why but you’re trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here. First of all, yes, MMO devs pretty much make their own rules, and you abide by them. There’s a few major regulations about things like gambling that they change their mechanisms for, mostly because they don’t want some state prosecutor eager for news exposure to waste their time and money on it.
You’re not going to define the legal framework here on the forums, because that’ll be defined if and when somebody takes a case to court and tries to litigate on some issue. Which happens extremely rarely on MMO game issues. There’s a reason why scammers, semi-legal websites, and other shady services operate in foreign jurisdictions - because it’s very hard to try cross-jurisdiction cases.
You said you had an idea for a service, and where’s the line. Your answer is “Wherever CCP decides to draw it”. Because there’s no way you’ll pursue litigation against them to contest their right to do whatever they decide.
So either make your service something that’s palatable to CCP, or skip it. Or make an unpalatable and hope you can work some return from it before they shut you down.
It ain’t rocket science, and it ain’t L.A. Law. If you want to accept ISK as payment for a service I’m sure you can do so, so long as you avoid doing anything overly objectionable.
