Do either of you believe that having been enslaved the Minmatar people would just forget about it and be happy to convert, happy to let slavery of others continue, because “oh, they let us go when we rebelled about it”?
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Not for an instant. That doesn’t make it any more difficult to actually follow her train of thought. I’m perfectly capable of understanding what someone’s thinking, even if I think they’re drawing completely erroneous conclusions.
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Good for you I guess?
It’s almost like different people might read a statement in different ways.
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Of course not. It’s one of the reasons why I say peaceful Reclaiming is an impossibility and thus as long as Reclaiming remains core to the Amarr Empire’s identity peace remains an impossibility until this changes and thus the Amarr Empire ceases to exist as it does now. Our people peacefully converting is an actual impossibility at this point. This doesn’t change that her train of thought remains consistent and clear, even if I think she’s very much wrong.
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I’m late to the party, but:
Thank you for this, Alizabeth.
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As far as I remember from the history, actually first invasion into Minmatar space went quite successfully, completely overwhelming them.
Rebelling “minmatars”… it doesn’t look just like simply “minmatars” to me, it looks more like criminals, and beating crminals head to head is hard, they scatter like rats and resolve to tactics of terror.
Neither I see now the Empire going into ‘frontal attack’ approach to Minmatar: after Elder fleet entered Republic space, Imperial forces… just let them go instead of barging in and bringing them to justice. Even now, as such infamous criminal as Shakor took a “throne” in the Republic, the Empire does nothing, fighting just for border territories with hands of eggers… while they have enough force to go with full scale invasion into core Republic worlds to topple the chair from under the blind fool who runs this circus.
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Whatever happened to Caldari neutrality and not interfering with or offering “advice” on the internal affairs of other nations? Or does that only apply to your slaver allies?
P.S. Please stop with your masturbatory xenophobic fantasies Kim-baka. We’re not going anywhere and even if the imperials were stupid enough to directly attack the Republic (which they’re not) it would not end well for them; it would be the very definition of a Pyrrhic victory.
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I have not responded to anything directly for some very excellent reasons.
However, Kim-haani, for the love of God and everything Holy, Good, and Righteous:
STAY IN YOUR LANE.
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Ahh, a typical Minmatar reply on a remark like
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As far as I remember from the history, actually first invasion into Minmatar space went quite successfully, completely overwhelming them.
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Well, go back to school and get yourself a history book where can you read about “Day of Darkness”.
An audiobook since you’re a minmatar.
Though even that, I am afraid, won’t help you distinguish the reality from your fantasy. Anyway, I’ve tried!
But lets move aside Rella and her ilk who can only yell obscenities at people who bring objections to their “ultimate truths” they cherish in their heads and resorting to personal attacks like this one has shown, again, instead of discussing the issue at hand.
To others: my point stands. Frontal attack on Minmatar several hundreds years ago was overwhelmingly successful.
I can’t discuss how to convert people - that’s completely not my area of expertise, but the military operations, on the other hand, are.
And when that general sends couple men to climb the wall while he has his own artillery behind his back and whole gold armada, that stands still and watches how good men die, that’s not a frontal attack, that looks more like a suicidal recon.
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Let’s talk about allegory and figures of speech.
On second thought, let’s not.
Just stay in your ■■■■■■■ lane. If you’re curious where that might be, it’s not in this thread.
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I thought you were wiser.
Pity.
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You do seem to forget that at that time our people were amidst the longest era of peace that any people in the cluster has ever known. That was broken when the Amarr brought their fleeting version of peace to our doorstep. Is it a hard question of why an actually peaceful people would be caught unprepared when warmongers land that their doorstep are I’ll prepared? What were you saying about picking up a history book? Never again.
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I do not “forget” it since it is absolutely irrelevant to the point. The frontal attack was a success, and it doesn’t matter against peaceful people, bandits, warmongers, rats. It did happen. What does matter, it was against minmatar, type of the operation and result of the operation.
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Seriously, even you cannot be stupid enough to say that the circumstances surrounding a battle do not matter at all once you know the target, type and result of the operation?
That’s like saying that for assessing whether you can win a similar engagement again, it’s enough to know the faction and ship types, and it then does not matter whether your opponent has access to T2 or just T1, or whether they are experienced combat pilot or a rookie, or whether they have accidentally bought the wrong ammo type or not.
EDIT: sentence structure for clarity
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A frontal attack verses an unprepared enemy verses a frontal attack verses a people expecting and preparing for it … Sorry, I question your logic here.
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The battle does not matter. It was allegorical! Illustrative. (Not really metaphorical, but if that helps people understand, then it was metaphorical!)
Stop talking about it. I could have used a dozen or so examples. I picked one that I was most comfortable with.
Imagine a vault, with a giant door that weighs thousands of tonnes, made of the strongest metal. Every day, someone goes to the vault and tries to break through the door with a wooden spoon. The spoon breaks, so they leave. Yet they come back the next day and try again.
Now, please, for the love of God, do not talk about techniques to break into vaults. Or battle tactics. Or anything else. That was not the point!
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Indeed, I don’t have your vice.
That’s why I realize I was talking about the event that happened and the result, rather about what strategy the Empire should have chosen against Minmatar, right?
I wonder when you will… Quite an easy concept. It did happen and it did work. Just listing facts, easy, right?
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Eh, go away, you’re boring.
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I pretty much understand your allegory, I am not a minmatar and you don’t have to repeat me twice. But do you understand what I was talking about?
I do agree that the change of tactics will be profitable, and I don’t understand need of picking the said door with a spoon when in the past it was rammed through with ease (even if it was wooden door) - and definitely not by a spoon. Now you have tools and energy to ram through that door, that you simply don’t use, preferring to… pick it with a spoon.
I am not going to give you a lecture on tactics and strategy, I hope you understand it yourself.
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You don’t understand the Reclaiming. The point is not to defeat the Minmatar militarily, or to kill them. Do you think I am like Napkins?
The Almighty God wishes the Amarr to go and lead all children to the Light of God. It’s pretty straightforward. I have no doubt at all that in a full scale war the Amarr Empire will destroy the Tribes. Done and dusted. That, however, would be a catastrophe.
See, it’s hard, like, really hard, to lead someone to the Light of God if they’re dead. Like, incredibly, stupid hard. Nigh impossible, I would say.
Victory over the Minmatar, or the State, will likely, in my opinion, not come vie et armis. It won’t come through mass enslavement and conversion through that, again, in my opinion. (Though, I will not admit it is an impossibility.) It will come though peaceful (again, in my opinion) missionary work to show the joy of the Faith and how awesome it is to be a part of it.
I just got my hair back, and you make me want to pull it out again because you have no idea what you’re talking about. You do hot have any, not one single clue, about the Amarr faith. And instead, you’ve come in here and spouted nonsense about everything that had nothing to do with my original point.
Every Second Lieutenant is taught Commander’s Intent. It’s the bedrock of following orders. I’m going to give you two questions.
'You will take your platoon to Hill 1138 to set up overwatch positions to cover a friendly logistics convoy along the MSR from 43 Easting to 44 Easting." What is the commander’s intent? (This is in current use at the Basic Warfighter’s Course. If I find out you placed a call . . . )
"I give to you the destiny of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given. Lead all children to the light of God, for Heaven is theirs to inherit.” What is the commander’s (God’s) intent?
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