The Khanid Kingdom, the Minmatar, the Jovians, the Bloodraiders, Sansha’s Nation, the Drifters…What do they have in common? They all scored victories over the Amarr Empire.
But as you say, it is the way of things.
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As for the topic at hand, I think any accounting of the Amarrian religion as it concerns its “Reclaiming,” of other societies has to categorize for what it is: an act of abuse and denigration directed towards those who cannot defend themselves, and an act of exploitation of the vulnerable. Like any abuser, or indeed a rapist, they will force themselves upon the weak and the powerless to satisfy their own lusts for power and prestige while blaming their victims for their own rapine. Their victims are told they, “Deserved,” The humiliation and degradation they must endure in slavery because they are, “Sinners.”
Rapine is not even a metaphor for how the Empire conducts its affairs if one recognizes the Amarrian Breeding Facilities that are spread across its borders, it is a condoned aspect of Holder policies. Worse, those who are abused within the Empire are not just slaves, but slave children who become the victims of pederasty in the name of Amarrian religion and to promulgate slavery at the cost of the most vulnerable within its society.
It is laughable when one sees institutional pederasty, rape, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and all the other abuses such as the Human Enhancement Program that conducted medical experiments on unwilling human slaves, that the Empire truly seeks some kind of “Cultivation” of the spirit of man when all that it has done throughout its long and sordid history is debase and denigrate it. The Imperial Reclaiming has failed because those societies that now exist are able to resist the potential abuses the Amarr desire to place them under in the name of their God and their religion.
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And with all the above being true, how much worse are those religious offshoots determined to be so extreme as to be heresy?
On a serious note, if anyone needs to be converted, it’s the Empire. Not by guns nor by violence but by having their eyes opened. The culture of abuse is institutionalised, an endless cycle where each generation teaches the next that such abhorrent behavior is acceptable. Until that changes there will be no progress.
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my ‘ideal’ is the reason that there aren’t thousands of different empires even though there were thousands of different factions of people after the collapse of the EVE Gate. those who were not meant to survive were absorbed by other stronger and more blessed factions.
I am not saying that war is the only way to resolve a situation. Diplomacy is just as powerful if not greater. But it is human nature to always strive to become the most powerful that they can possibly be and the storm in addition to your inferior defence systems was too much of an opportunity to resist.
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There are many monstrosities in the Empire as there would be in any other kingdom as prosperous and blessed as us Amarrians. but that does not make all of us monsters. there are plenty of good people living their lives by the scriptures and our great Empires law
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Unfortunately, living your lives according to the scriptures does, in some cases, encourage you to live as a monster. Prettying it up and claiming you’re doing God’s work doesn’t make it less monstrous.
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Kid, I have an extremely bleak and ‘savage garden’ view of human nature, and even I have to call that nonsense out. The need to be ‘the most powerful they can possibly be’ isn’t even close to universal. If it were, societies would be impossible. Most people don’t want to be powerful, they want to be safe, because they’re scared.
The Day of Darkness wasn’t ‘too much of an opportunity to resist’, it was ‘the moment you scum were waiting for’. Even the Empire’s records indicate that the Amarr were watching the Minmatar Empire for an extended period of time. You knew where our colonies were. You knew we were unarmed. A storm on Pator, after all, wouldn’t have meant much on Starkman Prime unless you were just looking for the opportunity for a decapitating strike on what command and control infrastructure we had.
Human nature can lead to a lot of really monstrous actions in the moment. Massive, coordinated strikes that are held until the right moment? That takes planning in concert, exactly the thing societies rely on the curb our worst impulses.
When that’s turned to this sort of act, that’s not ‘human nature’, that’s conscious choice. That’s “I have an excuse, and I am going to indulge my desire to be a monster”. Don’t hide behind a book written by the Amarr that oh-so-coincidentally happens to say ‘The Amarr are better than you! You should do everything they say!’
Yer still an idiot.
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Again, the Breeding Facilities are simply… …needlessly inefficient and cruel. Necessary cruelty is one thing, the world is hard and cold after all, but the universe already holds as much cruelty as hydrogen and creating more seems redundant.
Why go this route when there is a demonstrably better way?
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Would that be the way that involves spawning children out of tubes?
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No citizens were harmed in the making of this Tuulinen. That’s all I’m saying.
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Works on adults, too. I’ve crawled out of a couple of tubes in my day.
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I’ve seen you crawl out of more things than tubes, Jevvles…
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You kind of hip-fired this one, I think.
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. . . I don’t think this is the proper place for Pieter to be firing things at you from his hip-tube.
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Bars, for one.
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I think there are people who will take any venue for Pieter’s hip tube
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Because when prejudice and hate is so deeply ingrained within a society then abuses occur against those considered to be less than human within that society. The Amarr consider all other societies to be lesser and less than human and this borne out in their behaviour and history. If you respect and value the dignity of another human being would you abuse them, use force against them, humiliate them, denigrate them, or mistreat them as the Amarr have done against every peoples they have enslaved? No, you would not. This makes the Imperial professions of their slavery being conducted out of some kind of compassion or kindness a fallacy. It is the same fallacy as someone who kidnaps another, exposes them to all sorts of abuse and cruelty and then says it was all for their own good: The object is not compassion, it is to instill a perverted sense of obligation and self-enforced victimization.
As such the Breeding facilities are just another adjunct of the Amarrian prejudices and hatred they hold towards their slaves. They have dehumanized them to such an extent that when the question arises of, “How do we get more slaves because we can’t enslave other societies anymore,” They answer it by permitting slave children to be raped by old men.
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May I point out that being safe is just a more focused version of being powerful, you need to be powerful to be safe. Society is possible because humans are pack animals, they will die for their friends. But this does not change the fact that humans crave for power. Without this instinct, no scientific progress or progress of any kind would be made as humans would have no want for it.
I’m pretty sure if you discovered you were neighbours to a potentially dangerous new civilization you would monitor their weapon systems as well
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Again, false. For most, safety is found in powerlessness, in submitting to the powerful. Humans are not pack animals any more than they are herd animals. Humans are troupe animals—primates—and while there is some overlap, troupe behaviors comprise a different set of group dynamics than pack behaviors.
As for this idiocy…
What weapon systems? The inability to fight back as we were was one of the reasons we were attacked, remember? You’re not helping your ‘too much of an opportunity to resist’ thesis here. You toss that phrase out as if the Amarr discovered a defenseless people at just the worst moment and someone shouted 'LET’S GET ‘EM!!’ in a drunken fit, and that somehow makes it all perfectly fine. This was a long-term, methodical criminal enterprise that continues even now.
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Being under the protection of someone powerful makes you more powerful. As I said being safe is just a side effect of being powerful.
A troupe of humans is just another word for a group of humans or a pack of humans. Humans live in groups fight in groups generally do most things in groups. Sure our packs or troupes may not operate exactly like other animals, but no animals are the same. Also, Primates are just a group of mammals, not really anything important.
Exactly my point we discovered you, found that your defence systems were lacking, saw an oppurtunity, and so attacked.
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