I think there is one mind for each type. So one Apollo etc. When I fought them in the Deathball fleets there is a point where the Drifters start dying. If you kill the right one, the entire fleet would stop, and mill around. Then a minute or so later they would resume attacking. Almost as though one mind was in actual control with the others slaved off it. Kill that control mind and the others stop, and it has to reassert control over another ship. As we whittled down the number of Drifters such stoppages became more frequent.
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Interesting noteā¦ the hell happened to those infomorphsā¦?
Perhaps many of those ships were not commanded each by an infomorph, and instead controlled en-mass by singular entities, hence why when whichever one was commanding them was killed, necessitated the rest of the ships to be recontrolled, and not simply wake up and fight for themselvesā¦
I realise such bandwidth and processing must me insaneā¦ but all other Drifter ships prior to the deathballs were individually controlled, albeit most of them do coordinate extremely well.
But if such a thing is possible, I am quite terrified as to what else they could do, if it were true.
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Alright, Iāll ask the question behind all the questions to be asked of this theory:
Letās accept, for a moment, this presumption that the Drifter ships, Sleeper Drones and Tyrannos Battleships alike, are all being remote-controlled by these Tyrannos informorphs, under the Tyrannos Strategos. Letās also presume, in connection, that the Driftersā neurological modifications are to turn them into remote receivers for the Tyrannos infomorphs.
If this is all true, the question I think is most important to answer is this: Where are the informorphs, physically? Where do they send their orders from?
Probably the Drifter Hives. We havenāt been able to penetrate their defenses, but they have a number of Sleeper installations around them.
Yeah, probably.
Drifters are not exactly Jove. They are more mutated Jove.
Ancient Enemy Azdaja Ā«exploratory operations have failed to establish active locus for presence of Jove Empire of the Chamber of TyrantĀ» reverse-time discourse-element (indecipherable) Ā«stability of local spatio-temporal environment deviates from archive reference data pertaining to !query++encode|Jovian expansionist polity iter.2.?.?|recode++process!Ā» (indecipherable) to cast a sounding in the flow of Vyraj.
Now-time discourse-element (indecipherable) Ā«archived spatio-temporal co-ordinate ranges !log++encode|Jovian expansionist polity iters.[2.0.0, 2.7.20]|recode++process! not reconciled with ingressing dataĀ» after evocation of ancient-time noemata of Kostorg conduit flow and confluence.
Those lines have been examined and re-examined and re-examined- all they tell us is that the Triglavians think of the Drifters as Second-Empire Jove. Whether this is because the Drifter Infomorphs are the Tyrants, their bodies are Sleeper corpses, or some other identifier we havenāt got the faintest clue of, we donāt know.
But, yes, of course the Drifter Infomorphs are Jove. Probably. We certainly donāt have substantial reason to believe theyāre anything else.
I think āJove in originā is probably more accurate. Personally I think they are either:
Entities formed from the aggregated Jove consciousness of the sleepers in their VR realm
Or:
Entities derived and evolved from the advanced AI that managed/manages the Sleepers VR realm.
I wish the Drifters would communicate us in a way we can interprit. Since becoming a capsuleer Iāve found my view of other non-biological intelligences has changed. I would be happy to work, trade and co-operate with such entities as long as their actions didnāt contravene my own code of ethics.
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Very intresthing topic along with all the comments in this page its gonna take some of my time to read it all there are some parts of the hypothesis which I found quite odd but in general it makes senseā¦
Itās intriguing. The Semiosis communiques have answered a few old questions and answered others. The link between Drifters, in the form of Ancient Enemy Azdaja , and the Triglavians canāt really be disputed. The billboard video absolutely confirms that there was a historical conflict between the Jovian Tyrants and the Triglav.
However, it still does not answer the question of who the Triglavians are, or were. There is a lot of speculation about their origin, most of it pointing to them being a Jovian splinter faction. Having reviewed the information to hand, and applied the Triglavianās own semiotic analysis to it, Iām not sure.
One phrase sticks in my mind;
<<archived comparison profile ?query++encode|Jovian-Triglavian satellite polity ident:JT(N?)BZx12t(7?) cat:hybrid subcat: hivemind iter.1.2.?|recode++process?>>
Jvoian-Triglavian satellite polity implies an embassy, or something of similar nature; a Jovian colony in Triglavian space or vice versa. Ignoring the latter part of the line for the moment, this would appear to indicate the Triglavians are a separate race, or group, or at least considered themselves to be so. Conflict could well have resulted if the Tyrants attempted to incorporate the Triglavians into their Empire. For the moment I am still uncertain as to whether the rest of the line means that the Tyrants were using some kind of hybrid hivemind to accomplish this.
That would explain the Triglavians animosity towards the Tyrants, as well as their abhorrence of Hiveminds in general. They donāt specifically label Ancient Enemy Azdaja as a hivemind but its still possible.
Semiotic analysis relies on signs , itās a form of social psychology based on analysing a number of factors.
The primary significators between Triglavians and Jove are that both were around at the time of the Second Jovian Empire, as evidenced by the Triglavians and Drifter connection, and the use of a few of bits of terminology. Both talk about clades, and see bloodlines as very important to the survival of the species. The Jove, or at least some, lived in Enclaves, the Triglavians use the word exclave, and that implies enclave may be used as well. The World Ark, is based on an older ship class called Ziteh, and the Society of Conscious Thought live in Kitz.
There are other reasons which raise the possibility of the Triglavians being a Jovian splinter group, perhaps some segment of the Sleeper group, but nothing we can absolutely confirm.
The detractors from the theory that they are this elusive Sleeper group actually outweigh the significators. At no time have we ever found Triglavian script in use by any Jovian group. The Triglavians have shown almost an obsession with labeling their technology, every ship, pylon and gate has a label somewhere. Yet there is no trace of this anywhere else. Likewise I can see no correlation in design between Jovian ships and Triglavian ones, they are completely different, and up until recently the Triglavians have shown no means of passing into our space by opening wormholes.
They are culturally extremely different. The Triglavians are obsessed with the number 3, for example, something we have never from the Jovian side. Their way of communicating information is unique, āreverse-time senseā and āFlow of Vyrajā, its very striking and impossible to mistake, yet we do not see this in Jovian communications. They are sometimes a little odd in their manner, but show no signs of the inherent Triglavian cultural themes. It also seems very old in some ways. It is possible that a Jovian group separated and then developed the ideology that the Triglavians now follow, but I think it more likely that the Triglavians have always had this in their culture.
All of which leads me to think that we are looking at a newly rediscovered precursor civilisation, perhaps from the early settlement of the cluster. Maybe one that survived alongside the Jove, but kept themselves at a distance, and were then forced to escape the clutches of the Tyrants.
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Kitezh - Kitz is a good one, I havenāt notice that before.
As I mentioned I was amazed to find out of Sansha - SoCT connection.
I think there were some Jove trinary thingies mentioned even before Drifter appearence.
It could push back the Triglavian exodus to almost 3,000 years ago. The beginning, rather than the end of the Second Empire.
Yes, the Astromancer Affair, Universal Timebase Measurement Research
There is one anomaly. The Ruins of Enclave Cohort 27.
While the Triglavivans do not have ships with the number 27
coincidence?
Yes, but like the others it is a marginal one. I think overall the arguments against are weightier than those for.
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