Nope wrong, sorry bud.
It’s X worth of minerals, because that’s what you can sell them on the market for.
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Nope, wrong, sorry.
It does not change a single thing about what I wrote. Please learn to read.
You are wrong because you are oversimplifying a complex process. That’s the mark of the weak minded, to need to over simplify things to the points every thing is the same.
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if someone sells the fb at 20k he will not get 20k even if sold to the BO. (Broker fee) That is where you get more profits if you do the whole chain yourself. Unless you can make infinite profit with 2k difference, which is not the case.
Sorry, I don’t feel like chewing on real things for your theoretical thought processes. 
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Sorry bud, still wrong. You just want to keep people selling ships at below mineral prices because you make your living reprocessing. ^-^
You can add as much stuff as you want to it, it doesn’t change the facts m8.
I said quite the opposite. I understand reading comprehension may be difficult for some.
Here is where you made the comparison attempting to justify complicating t1 sub cap production by comparing battleships to capitals. I simply assert that there is no comparison between the two. Which is 100% correct.
Except thats what you’re advocating for.
At the end of the day its still a t1 frigate hull. It isnt t2. It should not require pi or moongoo. The complexity of t1 production has always been about acquiring the required minerals which were diversified based on the parent race of the ship. Gallente bs would take a literal fuckton more trit than caldari, and they should. Complexity is not just added layers of tedium, and thats what this is. Save that ■■■■ for t2, wait… its already setup that way.
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On what grounds are you saying that faction ships should or shouldn’t include certain items?
What you are describing is the old situation. But the entire point of this update is to create a new situation where certain t1 frigate hulls (namely pirate, faction, trig or edencom hulls) actually do include certain items in their build process.
You’re free to say that these ships shouldn’t include certain items, but please tell us why you think that, instead of referring to the old and soon outdated situation. Because soon, those non-basic t1 frigate hulls aren’t “still a t1 frigate hull” in terms of industry anymore.
Okay I get it there is no point talking to you, you lack the basic ability for reasoning.
You can repeat as much as you want, does not change the facts.
The fact is, you are wrong.
Except it’s not.
However that’s what YOU are doing : claiming that X is Y while actually it is not.
example saying that I am advocating for something I’m not advocating for.
says who ?
That’s just not complexity. Complexity is about the choices you can make. Acquiring resources is not complexity, even if there are more resources : the market removes the complexity.
No it’s not.
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Correct, there is no point in arguing with me when you’re wrong. Take care mate.
Indeed, there is not point arguing with someone who claims minerals he mined himself are free.
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Just ignore Xuixien he/she is only here to boo at arguments with valid points and come up with nothing but “You are wrong” without any explanation of why until to a point where he/she is simply wrong but it wont matter. Its like talking to a concrete wall. Clearly fails to understand how market/mining and industry works. Or how buying something from the market and mining it urself is different in relation with profit margins.
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In space, it’s a t1 hull. Seriously undock a comet it’s strong, but it isnt a ■■■■■■■ enyo. It isn’t even a taranis, which are still milder than they should be imo.
What choices? That’s irrelvant nonsense. If you want to make X and it requires Y you don’t have a choice.
What is pi if not tedium? See i believe pi is actually the purest form of distilled and concentrated tedium that exist in this game universe.
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My argument is exactly the opposite. And this is why there is no point in you talking to me. 
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When you say I am wrong it actually exactly is.
either you accept that minerals you mine are free. OR you accept that items your mined yourself have a lower price than purchasing them from the market.
Now if you don’t understand that, you also don’t understand why minerals you mine are actually not free.
Oh I have doing industry for over 10 yrs, and have done a lot of research and reading over the past 10 plus years.
I am pretty sure I know what I am doing, and if I don’t know or am in doubt, I ask or do some research it out.
The tax rates for one, what stations to do it in for better results, even have a clone set up to do just Industry. There are so many variables involved in industry for sure.
And for a person who has worked major Industrial Manufacturing for 30 plus years in RL it is the same
thing pretty much.
That’s their combat tier. That uses a different tier system than the industry tiers. In industry, those ships will be a completely different tier than the basic T1 ships after this update.
Yeah and some people like that complexity. Some people don’t. These changes now allow players who don’t like complexity to have a point of access and people who like complexity to rise to the level of complexity they enjoy. Win/wins all around.
My point is that that should remain relevant. Realistically that’s the most important fact imo.
CCP thought it should be irrelevant and created new industry tiers. Sorry.
We’re talking in circles because you have not yet told us why you think it should be relevant. You’re only saying it should stay as it is, without any more arguments than “that’s how it is now!”
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but you are wrong !
Sorry, little joke.
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