A significant update to Industry

I see people writing that all the time .That is only in your head .CCP have never said something like that and you keep mention it like it is the law .It is not and if you look at the game mechanics it is clr that ccp doesn’t support that .Wh rating is the safest place .then hs -low sec and in the end it is null.Isk generation is pochvin-wh then low sec then hs and null and if people say otherwise just look at mers .People tend to go for the best-safest isk making activities .

Ronne keeps growing.

I wonder if they heard they died?

Sell in Mission Hubs. SoE Arc path systems are still good.

So where are all these buy orders coming from?

Is it just me?

Yup, you showed how you use a slow, badly fit hauler to move blueprints that you could have moved safely and pretty much risk free in a stiletto. Then complain how it is the game’s fault for your loss. You failing to use the right tool for the job does not illustrate an issue with risk/reward in the game, nor does it have anything to do with supply or demand or anyone’s ignorance other than your own. :wink:

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“many producers like me”
“jita is still full of ship, same for the other main trade hub”

Pick one

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No.

Prices are falling except for ships, because the items required to build them decrease in prices. Just speculation.

Markets are less provided for the simple reason that the relist fee makes it impossible to list something over a year + . So you are stuck with 10 orders for the same items, and they all expire at the same time and people place the same for no reason … but they can’t just stop placing orders otherwise they don’t sell. So place less.

That’s why I made this post Replace relist fee with sleeping order

again you blame others whic didnt look carefully. You first fault try to show me as whiner.
My ship is proper setup. But camper team very pro. Also they have HIC also another problem at your logic. I have to carry other industrial mats whic need largo cargo scape. I never blame camper team. now i never said i am pro player. But My ship were proper setup. My skills are not bad. If you look my killboard you can easly understand this my last lost with this type cargo ship one year ago… I always carry important things. You have to guess it. I said 1.5 billion nothing to me… you still dont understand my caliber… talk empty…

nope again you dont understand. because you arent a producer like us. Producers dont care prizes up or down as long as their profit good. ATM problem is profit is too low raw material too high? why? People dont buy anything and producers start to fight each other. Entire criss fueled by CCP with insane ship material req. with new blueprints.
Also why you never ask why new blueprints is expensive like this? How new bros able to buys this blueprints? one set is nearly 1.5billion including reactions… I never understand why it has to be so expensive… Because this is only set. You will need more than one BP what you need focus so your expenses will increase… Atm at eve we living in recession. I am start to suspect CCP doing social-economic tests on us with their connected unversity teams…

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i willnt give any anwer to you. you are so irrevelant-illogical. No body able to do progress with you. You are just a CCP advocate. Nothing more.

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I flagged your post for your insults but ofc CCP defends his own advocates…
How you are no-sense any Indy player can easly saw.
You give Mexallon as raw material price reduce…
first at market no body buy tier 1 module. tier1 modules only used for production tier 2 modules.
But at t2 production you can easly ignore Mexallon price change…
Before patch we can produce a faction frigate average 20m.
After patch (i am giving actual jita prices build from raw matarials. 216m.

There is 10x price increse with one patch! And You are defend this And talking there is no effect on module sale numbers…

By the way i am not you here link for req. materials for build Gila from raw. you can see prices too. Even you can delete entire mexallon from materials only 4 million effetcs… You can ignore. And Do you know Why Mexallon price drops? Because supply and demand balance… People dont need Mexallon because majorty of mexallon used for ship production. Do you remember (if you have brain) what i said? People dont buy cant buy new ships… because risk/awards balance broken. When they dont buy ships. Mexallon prices drops also module prices drop. for next ring mats prices will drop but next people much pooper because we cant collect materials from good price. Again what i said. EVE at RECESSION now.
Many times i posted but you dont want see but again i am posting what is recession.

https://evepraisal.com/a/107asi

all your comments show us one thing:
“you dont know anything.” a toxic behavior attack who againts ccp. Cant show any proff. can use any program like “isk per hour” no calculations… Just empty insults.

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by the way there is no edit option. Ofc i am talking about Cruiser not frigate price.
also you cant use any special program like “isk per hour”. Because if you use you can easly see how mexallon is not important at t2 module production or faction ship prices atm. Because Major cost came from Gas. Not minerals. Even prizes before patch people saw this strat to stock faction ships. Atm at the market nearly all ships builded before patch. Because of this all faction ship BCP prizes drop at contracts… What i said? All market connected. People selling their bpc really nearly %50 lower than before patch but cant sell. Plus cant buy new ships with same effort. This cause Recession…
Ofc everything normal for you. lol. CCP advocate.

Today I sold three BPCs at a 125% profit over cost inc research fees.

Seriously, you need to re-evaluate your strategy, it appears to really suck.

he is talking about faction BPC from eg FW. Like self-lacer, shoebill, co-meth, firefail.

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I cant be sure what he’s talking about given his poor grasp of anything.

HOWEVER

You are right and I also misread BPC as BPO, so I am a dumb.

BUT I still made 2b today while he was crying so even as dumb as I am, I feel smarter than some, and in business, thats all you need. :slight_smile:

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I realized, so I fixed with what I think I understood of his posts.

He is complaining that the price ATM for items required for faction BPC are too expensive. And yes, ATM people (like me) don’t have enough BP to make the production, but soon that should adapt so complaining about it right now is just stupid.

Same, bought more BPOs because it looks like I’ll need many more than the 4 I had started to research ^^ (I mean 2 auto integrity preservation seal and 2 life support backup unit)

I was not sure if I needed to spend more 150M/u BPOs but it sounds like, due to the low production rate, I’ll need more, like 40 total BPOs. So approx 6B in bpos. With like 30D of research each.

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We’ve covered this endlessly. They may be irrelevant to you… To anyone actually trying to build any of these hulls it is extremely relevant.

Some found a catchphrase.

And he’s right.

Lmao… 6b in bpos, 30d research each, pi, gas, and goo reactions for ■■■■ you could build from straight mins from the beginning of time to now. Yeah, no wonder faction bs show over 6b build cost now. Faction cruisers are over a billion to craft if you bought everything, and thats assuming it was even available. Which it is not. Still.

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What an exciting day this is. 19 days after the patch has gone live, my region has finally managed to sell enough protective components to build one single Leshak. At an implied price of 1.9 billion, for a ship that before the patch cost about 500 million.

1 battleship in 19 days for quadruple the price. Is this the “without a signficant impact on subcap markets” CCP was touting when this change was announced?

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Edecon and Triglivian ships still buildable yes still price increase horrible but not close as like other faction ships… Main problem is gas Whic used U-C R-O S-R G-O Neurolink Conduits… You nearlly need all kinds of gas for them. But anybody who did gas huffing every type gas came from spesific parts of space. Before this patch there is used for booster production. Now prices skyrocketed because demand is too high but even with new gas spawn demand is not enough reasonable production cost. So CCP seriously misscalculated or want recession. Even at jita i try to buy from opening orders for reduce production cost… But now work. Everbody doing same thing. So there is no production even for jita. For other alt markets no one will cary to their gas while jita prices high.

Why ccp fail too hard? Because entire game ecosystem builed by risk-award balance. I write here too many times. Now for faction ships nearly 10x but they sell their rewards less then old prices. This is order 66 for eve economy… People didnt fly with faction ships because too cheap. Many use this ships for rattling Abysal Runs. Mission Runs. (Dont forgot Capital have same problem with this patch ) These are general ways for isk income to eve economy. Now without isk income economy will enter recession.

Many people still dont understand how markets works. They still underestimate what is coming… So they still say bad things for me. Not important. I know whats going on. I am good trader.

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False quote.

i want add someting to my last reply. because of no edit.
Gas prices — Current demand isnt real demand. Why? Because many producers like me stopped. No real production. You can understand from other Mineral prices drop. Atm even some gas prices looked dropped but this is very limited production times. People like me doing test productions. Even with this prices no chance production for Logical-reasonable price.

also want add Frigates are less effected. But even with this 2x production than a T2 frigate? Problem start at here. This faction ships supposed between T2 ships to T1 ships. Many ones like Emperial Navy slicer fit this point very good. Some are not like daredevil but these ships mainly used for pvp or burners so we can forgive their prices. No body force you to use them. Still many navy faction ships with around 10m price before patch.

This is major issue. For Modules Tech1<Tech2< faction both prices and item parameters-benefits. But now for ships price Tech1<Tech2<< faction but Parameters Benefits? Tech1<faction<tech2…

I dont think other ship production start easly at alt markets. Because Gas need good cargo capacıty ships. So You need carry conduits. even with this still expensive.

Yes, because we are in a transition phase.

recession != transition . Learn the difference.