ok, thx make sens
Hope im in the right place , But why is it that when im building a JF now that i need another Capital temp core ? while im allready using one in the freighter i am âupgradingâ?
seems a bit weird that you need 2 while a carrier has 1 and a JF isnt even a combat ship?
Greetings MrNoodless
kenneth felt at his best delivering our beloved patch .and do not ask that kind of question cause the reply s will be adapt or die suck it etch
That would be logical. I suspect ccp is saying that we are so bad at industry that we break all those source parts from the original hull during upgrade. Which brings me to the question "why do I need the t1 hull if have to remake parts that it already contains?
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Jump Freighters are the only T2 capital ships in the game. Itâs not that strange they take an extra capital temperature core to build. Be glad it isnât 15, like supercarriers.
ShĂŹt change is still shĂŹt
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Could be, given thatâs likely not far off from either bots or cloaking campers, both of which were doing tremendous damage to active players. Game is going pretty well now and the recent indy changes need a few more months to pan outâheck miners are still converting their fleets over.
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Bots are of course bad oh and are still around.
Cloaky campers? Not sure what damage they did, unless you mean making nulbears even safer by removing them.
The game had cloaky campers for many many years and funnily enough the had a far higher PCU than it does now.
No they arenât, for the most part nothing has changed. If the recent indy changes had done anything the PCU would be going up as those who mined on a large scale needed more alts. Quite simply the guys who multiboxed Rorquals, which was the ONLY problem with mining, until CCP decided to âfix itâ, are sitting it out waiting.
US winter, normally when the PCU is itâs highest, is nearly over. When it is and the PCU goes back to normal youâll likely see a sub 20K per day PCU again.
CCP turned Eve into easy mode with FozzieSov, Citadels and Rorquals. Now they are trying (poorly) to fix previous mistakes without addressing the real problems those mistakes have left in the game.
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Itâs interesting that you think that. What with the astronomical prices of faction subs, and everything else really. Upending more than a decade of market stability was definitely good. Right? That makes things better for everyone right?
The only thing they did that needed to be done was shrink rocks so rorqs canât graze endlessly bloating the mineral stores. Everything else was unnecessary, overkill, and extremely poorly planned.
Thatâs ccpâs job now apparently, and theyâre killing it
Not mining, according to the latest data. Probably the final edition of said data too since it doesnât back up ccps rhetoric and theyâve announced theyâre replacing it.
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Faction subs, specifically faction battleships were way to cheap to begin with. Having entire fleets of faction battleships needed to cost a bit more. Is it balanced now with their current price? No, but CCP has come out and said they will be changing BS soon.
They didnât shrink rocks. They are now 2x as big. However, waste/residue has been added and the rorqual took a 200% mining yield nerf (from 500 to 300)
CCP has come out and stated that the MER for Nov/Dec is wrong and that mining is up. The MER doesnt give us the full picture and is just based on value, not m3. So it will always be skewed based on the market until CCP gives us m3 mined.
They most certainly did. Thats what parked all the rorqs in hangars. Not a single rock worth seiging on. They are now 2x the shrunken size. Someone has a short memory.
And you believe them? I got a bridge to sell you.
Your opinion is noted. Price a nightmare. Now look at build cost. Its borked, and its been borked since they added pi, gas, goo, reactions that require a low/null refinery to the process. You can thank the lp farmers for keeping the prices as low as they are. Youâre welcome.
Secondarily, they should be cheap enough that they get used by normal pilots that arenât space rich slumlords. Theyâre subs, they should be used often.
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Since they are the one making it, I rather believe them than you.
Rocks are definitely doubled in size. Our moons now pull upwards of 50mil m3 worth of ore compared to 25mil m3 and we did not change the cycle time. Ice blocks now have 200-300 blocks instead of 50-150, and regular belts are also increased in size. However, regular belts will shrink over time if they are consistently mined out. But
I trust CCP more than you, especially since they have all the data and we donât. It is a game, they are the devs and they donât have to release every bit of information to us. The MER has always been borked. They have come out and even stated that it is about time to basically rewrite how the MER is generated.
I am aware, yes they are a bit higher than they should be but a less than billion isk faction battleship is dumb. Theyâre better than standard hulls and should be more expensive as such. Again, CCP has come out and said they will get a buff.
Correct they are subs and they should be used, but they are faction. They are not the standard and should be held in higher regards. They should be more prized and more difficult to acquire than a standard t1 hull.
They always were. The control mechanism was the bpc, and instead of tweaking it they decided to void their collective bowels into this. This which gatekeeps production to those with infrastructure in low and null. None of this was necessary, and it has been a verifiable disaster since implemented.
Well, be happy because now theyâre not going to share it with us anymore. Presumably because the mer was right and they dont like they we see that.
BPCs were on the market by the hundreds and the ships themselves were as well. Faction BS were extremely easy to acquire and still are. Why do you think there were fleets of Macherials/Nightmares?
MER wasnât correct. For one my group, small as we are, saw a massive increase in mining. I know we arenât the only ones either. Sure rorqual mining dropped, by barge/exhumer increased significantly
Has been near 0 since they initially shrunk the rocks. Orcas arenât mining, at all, anymore. Barge mining is still as tedious and risky as it ever was, but now with the added benefit of not being able to fit tackle and tank. A swing and a miss does not force your attacker to pay anymore.
The mer is for the whole game. It is, and always has been, a raw numerical extraction from the game. That is why they dont like it. They are unable to manipulate it. It was not wrong. Your experience is admittedly a small portion of the game. Is it so far fetched to believe that you have no idea the impact it has outside of your circle? I think thatâs exactly whatâs happening here.
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Again, rocks have not shrunk. I donât know if anomaly rocks doubled, but no rock was shrunk. Orcas still mine all the freakin time. Not sure why you think that. All barges gained EHP so risk has gone down and Hulks/Mackinaws are actually used in lowsec now. Seen lots of them.
The MER is wrong for Nov/Dec. The new mining update borked it and CCP stated that, along with CSM members.
Dude⌠rocks were absolutely GUTTED back towards the begginging of scarcity. Rocks that formerly had 330k/m3 shrunk to 3-5k m3. They doubled that to get you where they are now, then added waste. When I tell you the rorqs quit undocking that day im hardly exaggerating. You never saw a rorq in a belt that wasnât from a moon pull anymore. The rocks were too small to last a single siege cycle. It killed them outright. That one change fixed everything. Then they did all this â â â â â â â â , because reasons.
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Let me break this into logical chunks.
BPCs were on the market. Yes they were and they still are, but all the value has been stripped from them by this industry change.
The ships were too but their prices were based on the standard supply/demand equation. The supply portion being the bpc itself. Which held most of the value of the ship at that time. This kept prices mostly stable for the last decade. Now their prices are being artificially suppressed by people farming for lp to buy finished hulls because building them is actually 1980âs vintage incurable AIDS. If we had to rely on building the hulls they would be even more expensive than they are now. Again, youâre welcome.
Why do I think there were nightmare/mach fleets? Because they brought the best value to the battlefield. They were the most effective in the required role per isk. Nevermind that they cost three times what a t1 battleship did then. They still delivered on the value. They were worth their already inflated price. Now they are not. Especially considering t1 battleships got hit with this same bĂšllshit.
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Youâre talking past the people youâre conversing with.
Rocks went through TWO (2!) changes:
Pre-Scarcity-> Scarcity -> Now
You are focused from Scarcity -> Now which is indeed 2x. However, Normal -> Scarcity was something like 0.05x. Combined, thatâs only 0.1x. Thatâs just rock size, and not at all including belts that were outright removed from the game.
Thus, comparing Pre-Scarcity to Now things are still depressed by 0.1x and belts are still entirely gone. Simply comparing Scarcity to Now and saying âbut its 2xâ is just a rote display of pedantry/semantics and is forgetting the lived memory of players who were playing during the ages past.
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