Yes, I have noticed it too in the previous post. Faction cruisers too are bought from LP store. And those implants, all of them…
Anyway, its only sink if people want to sink some ISK into it. Which I think they will do.
See it this way:
It is one more step towards reducing the global amount of resources, which means scarcity increases even faster, which promotes more conflict. The only imbalance in this, so far, is that the current crop of miners is non-competitive.
That will change eventually.
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Hey man, I saw your other video too and felt I wanted to reply. Things definitely went into a direction that was not good communication anymore and everyone who participated added something to that. Discussions can be and maybe need to be somewhat controversial, if we want them to birth new understanding. However, doing so in somewhat anonymous Online Forums is a more difficult thing to do, as everything we don’t know about the other could easily be filled by assumptions about them or their agenda.
I like to discuss hard, but only because I think it is necessary to be strict when it comes to peeling layers of bullsh*t in order to find a core that can be analyzed and properly discussed for what it is.
At the same time, and your video reminded me of that, it is important to remember that assumptions about others are not only not fair, but also a mistake which can hinder us to learn new things. Psychologists say that above a certain age it becomes nearly impossible for any human to question their core believes, because they are what makes us the person we are. Anyone saying anything which - however indirectly or accidentally- attacks that notion, and we are very likely to hit back and defend, because it always feels like an attack on us. They found in such situations the same brain areas get active as they would in life threatening ones.
Now, I don’t want to believe we have to be victims of our own inability to be both open minded and strict at the same time. Most people over 30 tend to become fundamentalist in their ideas because of it. Watching your video really reminded me that one of the best ways to avoid that is to remember that everyone else is more or less in the same boat. Giving the others the benefit of the doubt is maybe the most important tool to not become an idiot. It’s difficult and maybe we need to accept that all of us are idiots more often than we like.
Let’s give each other every chance we can. We can still discuss brutally and merciless, but it should never come to the point where someone feels a witchhunt is going on. Honestlly, I personally don’t mind confronting a group of people - here or in real life. And I respect you for doing the same. It may seem that people who agreed on certain things regarding your postings in the other thread united against you and that certainly was bad, not only because it made you feel singled out, but also because it may have made disagreements between those people less visible than they should have been.
So yeah Salvos, thanks for posting and let’s try to remind of what you wrote when it is necessary:
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Let’s see. If the demand for the “cheap” deadspace loot and filaments keeps high (within reasons), this is good for small scale hunting. But I think scarcity on modules and ships on large scales will rather lead to risk aversion and even stronger polarization of the player base (those who move to Delve and those who decide not to). Only base resource depletion (bounties, ores) will lead to more conflict.
We will have to see wether or not the losses in Abyssal Deadspace remain to be high, but I think they won’t.
The same for the sinks created by Mutaplasmids. It is possible that they will be high in the long term, but only if we get tools that allow for everyone to find agreement on the value of mutated items. The contract system in its current form cannot deliver that.
Ive been on the internets so long, and so much, that I know exactly what you mean.
The anonymity here, and personal distance is so vast (even in such a “small” virtual space), and we arent built for it. Our brain starts filling in the gaps it needs to relate to someone, in the absence of various interpersonal ques that lack online, and builds its own “gestalt” of the other person.
The function offline of this, is humanizing. Online, it ends up as dehumanizing.
I also fall to this, and have many times. Thats why, when I remember this, I take effort to reach out on a personal level, to the actual person, from my person, rather than gestalt to gestalt.
Thats why I made the vid. Glad you appreciated it for what it was intended as. I dont expect a video response in return. It served its function, for both of us. We both now remember there is an actual person on the other end, not a fiction. Two people that love EVE, and talking about it. We are not enemies, nor monsters.
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Now hug. : - )
The base, ore, already affects almost everything, Tipa. It does not matter what it is, as long as it is being built by using up elementary resources.
Lack of resources makes people risk resources to be able to gather more resources. Self sufficiency is about being able to gather enough resources to be able to survive, defend and grow over years to come.
What do you think is the actual, down to the core reason …
… why The Goons are out-mining literally everyone else …
… and that for many months already?
Because they have the numbers, the organization, and the will to do it. I presume their goal is to accumulate as much unassailable wealth as possible in the time mechanics are in their favor. Not doing it would be stupid.
But the core reason is as said, the mechanics support it. Mining scales perfectly with never exhausted number of anomalies.
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I would add that they also have to do it, in order to avoid devaluation of the massive ISK influx they are creating with ratting.
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The question is: why no other 0.0 entity do the same? NCPL or TAPI (or even DRF at some point) are able to defend their farms.
The reasons are different from group to group.
NCPL (or parts of them) might first and foremost have the problem, that forming an industry-focussed state requires a form of organization that goes contrary to how they want to play the game. I remember not long ago some PL guy commented in a reddit thread about changed “win conditions” and how they are simply not something their group wants to compete in.
Maybe I’m talking out of my ass, but I think it is much harder to convince non-industrials to pick up industry than convincing industrial focussed players, who anyway face PvP due to people roaming Delve, to commit to PvP.
TAPI does it to a certain extent, but they are not as successful with it. I guess due to their location and lower amount of active members, their yield is considerably smaller than Goons.
99% of people who said stuff like ~“adapt or die”" were full of ■■■■ and as it turns out cannot adapt to something truly new, ie, that doesn’t involve a couple guys spending a weekend on EFT to change a doctrine.
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Goons know how to bait best. They promise a lot, and they also deliver.
They are a powerhouse and they have a huge forum and community behind them.
They have the best infra- and social structure.
They have a very capable leader, who surrounds himself with people as smart, or smarter than him.
Besides this, there stands to reason that other “leaders” might not really be in on the idea that hoarding minerals will pay off in the long run. We are all just humans, and probably not the only ones wondering why The Mittani™ does this … so to speak.
I hope I am using “stands to reason” properly here. 
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Goons already won the game.
Rest of the game just doesnt know it yet.
Delve stats are absolutely insane and need the charts to be extended upwards, every month, to accommodate them.
Its not even a competition, its hands flat down win.
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Yes.
I wonder if he wants to be able to dictate the global (!) market once scarcity becomes much worse, though this goes too deep into conspiracy land. It makes more sense to hoard for ones self.
I’ve heard about PL being “nomadic style group” but what about NCdot?
Yeah, but you don’t need to do this. You just need to provide good protection and will have a lot of industry type players working for your power. I’m pretty sure big groups can do this.
With their “Legacy coalition” they have 20k players (or so i’ve been told).
What prevents others from starting to do the same?
This might be more difficult to get…
Is being able to whelp capitals without any care in the world not enough of benefit?
Is being able to organize “SIGS” and “squads” to harass other parts of space while not paying for this by reduced military and industry power not enough?
Take a look at recent story with “XIX move op” where TAPI didn’t risk its supercapitals and left XIX to it’s fate. For some reason i believe that if they had industry power of Goons they could just drop 500-1000 supercapitals there and clean the field. And then replace all losses in a week. For me it looks like a proper reason.
I might be too naive but i’m very curious about the matter.
Remember that all I have is my deductions from what’s going on, which I am following relatively closely. I doubt I am wrong, because everything just fits so extremely smoothly together, but of course there are and will always be details I am missing.
Think bigger.
You can not just ad hoc copy the concept of Something Awful and the tight social connection it causes. Sure, most of the “goons” we see nowadays likely are not “real goons” in the original sense, but they still “benefit” from the smooth integration into the culture, no matter which platform or game they are in.
There simply is no alliance like this. There is no other alliance with a forum of over 100k people behind them, no other alliance with people who really can trust each other, especially because when you are a Goon ■■■■■■■ another Goon, it means everyone fucks you then. That is quite the calming, re-assuring thought in the back of everyone’s mind.
You have that no where else. The social construct is extremely stable and tight, and the “men in charge” have all the experience needed. I can tell, one of my best friends is one of them. I have always been amazed about his ability to just grow a community out of what seems to be nothing.
And I still hate him for KarmaFleet being such a carebear shithole, full of mostly losers with egos big enough to wonder how much they must suck in real life. Though I think I “hate” him more for telling me to join in and “fit in” as if I could ever exist among such … people. My elitism shines through, I know. : - )
Absolutely. The Mittani is a smart, rational, planning and calculating man and if you know me a bit, you know that I rarely say such positive things about anyone… well, mostly because most people are barely beyond being able to live on their own, but hey …
I fail to see the point of these questions and the whole last paragraph.
Sorry for sounding like I am shilling. I am not a Goon.
I simply respect that there is a group able to pull all this off, with all the mechanics and propaganda behind them that make things work in real life.
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That was just an examples of benefits one could have by growing industry empire similar to Goons one.
Answering to your “maybe other leaders do not have reasons”.
I looted a Spineclaw Crab in WoW yesterday
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