Multi char training - you still need to pay an extra months subscription per extra training slot. Under your plan this would be abuse-able by having multiple accounts with one specialist character per account
Faster training - true, but abuse-able by having multiple free accounts
Multiple logged in characters - easily abuse-able already given the right know-how and hardware
Longer skill queues - so? Not really something I would consider worth paying a monthly subscription for, especially as most skills are more than a day anyway.
No alpha tax - I dont know what this is. Is it broadly equivalent to the npc corp tax? Or the tax that most player corps have in them anyway? If so, surely it would be offset by being in a personal corp with a zero % tax rate?
Cheaper skills (since you don’t buy skill points) - This is simply incorrect, everyone who wants to buy skill points does so already now, whether they are alpha or omega. Yes the lower-skilled probably do so more, but that is not to say that purchasing sp is restricted to alpha accounts.
Get an Omega account or STFU alpha. If you feel like a second class citizen, it’s because you ARE a second class citizen. Alpha is meant to be an extended trial - not a way of life.
Multi char training: Not sure I understand what you mean how it would be abused. You mean having two accounts instead of one to train two characters? You are still bound by 1x speed and SP cap.
Faster training: Not really. You still train all characters on 1x, and with omega 2x. If it takes 3 years for an omega to get a character where you want, it takes 6 years for the alpha character. Because you spread out training on multiple accounts, it doesn’t accelerate that one character that is still on 1x. If you think the 2x training is a small deal you are completely wrong.
Multiple logged in characters: If it is against the EULA then it is CCPs job to enforce it.
Alpha tax adds 2% to all industry jobs and science, essentially cutting profits so you can’t do industry jobs profitable as alpha.
Cheaper skills: Still holds true if you do the math. You don’t buy SP with omega unless you choose to. Whereas the alpha has to pay ISK to train beyond SP cap.
There were no skill injectors, plex or alpha accounts when I started and we started with a lot less skill points and had to train learning skills just to train as fast as we can now. Instant gratification and entitlement generations are the reason many people quit. If CCP holds their course you will get your way and there will be bots running up until the servers are switched off.
If I want to fly something, I can make enough ISK to buy me Injector or few, if I feel like not doing anything new and fly with the same ship forever, I can even stay alpha and stop training. As gameplay evolves, so your SP and skills allocated.
It was a thing in previous MMORPGs I played that you could change your skills by paying some gold or real money. I know this thing from at least 2006 when I started playing MMORPGs, so it goes for many years and EVE just catched up with this elastic model.
What ever happened to understanding that Eve is not a game you win in three days? Ever persistant means ot keeps going. The fact you dont pilot your ship and pull the trigger when your cross hairs line up should tell you that.
Multiple accounts online at once, widely known as multi-boxing is not an exploit, is legal, and is encouraged. Both for content and money generation. It doesnt take much to do it hardware wise. I have an L55 Toshiba Satillite from 2015 with the low grade i5 that I can triple box lvl4 missions on with the graphics bottomed out on all three accounts.
CCP started this game as a business to make money. They wanted to profit from a computer game. Thats what they do. We pay, we play. Of course its going to be difficult to plex in game. If it were simple, they would have gone under long ago due to lack of revinue.
Yes, they finally had to bring free accounts out because of the industry meta. The two week trial wasnt long enough for people to get a good idea of what Eve is. I went full plex account when I started late 2012. Its a lot easier to get things rolling when you start now. I know this because usually every one to two years I start another account for different reasons and different places.
Im greatful for long skill queues because they used to be limited to a month. Or how ever many you get started in a 30 day period for a maximum length of about two months depending on your mapping. Now all I have to do is pay for a sub and walk away for over a year or a queue of 50 skills.
If you actually immerse yourself in the game and learn what all is possible, the benifits of omega accounts far out weigh alpha accounts.
I could go on but I said I wouldnt go on a tirade but I have. I could go on but people asking for handouts they wont work for really make me mad.
(1) Subscribe with PLEX to train the skills you want to keep then stop training your main character
(2) Keep subscription with PLEX to train an alt character for skillpoint extraction
(3) Extract skillpoints from your alt character, sell them and buy PLEX
(4) Goto (2)
Net result: You have paid PLEX to get omega skills and further on you don’t need to pay anything else to keep and use them
You dont need to, and thats the point. But ill combine my repy with the next part of your post.
And let me repeat myself. None of your incentives apply to omega account players that already have the skills. They have zero incentive to continue to sub their accounts and pay monthly.
None of them.
And yes, i dont need to improve my rorqual alt. Because if its between paying for a mere 2 percent increase in hedbergite yield and spending 15 days versus not having to pay at all and getting full, 100 percent profit, guess which one id choose?
My alts are all omega. And yet two of them are maxed out on what i use them for, and are currently only used for skillpoint farming. Do i have small blaster spec 5 on my ganking alt? No. Do i want to spend 15 days for a mere 2 percent increase when i could be making 800 mill from the skillpoint? Absolutely not.
So please, tell me, which one of your incentives apply to me? Id really like to know.
sorry, this was really funny. I cannot sit by and let it go.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
2% industry tax.
Versus.
1.6 billion isk saved every month because you are alpha and not omega.
Youd have to do 80 billion isk in profits, every month, to make it worth going omega. Not just cost, im talking pure profit. Since most of us dont even come close to that much every month in production, you seriously think this is an incentive?
Yeah, id take the 2% industry tax over paying 1.6 billion isk any day.
Hahahaha, i had a good laugh at this. Thanks for that atleast.
So you don’t want new players? Because no new players can compete with a skill system that you trained for 12 years. It is pretty self explanatory. Hence injectors so people can get up to par.
During all your years you could train the skills as they got released, as new ships got released. A new player has to start from scratch. That is a massive difference.
So you are never logged in on your two or more accounts at the same time? I know people who play on 5+ at once.
So Omega is not for you? Fantastic, nobody would force you to pay for it. But I highly doubt you will just stop training ALL your characters if you keep playing this game.
You didn’t benefit from 2x skill training? The 3 years you put training would have been 6 years.
Apparently math is not your strong suit.
If you also don’t think the 2% alpha tax matters in industry you need to do some basic calculations. There are some good sites where you can calculate this and figure out you can’t make profit.
So far I have not seen a single compelling reason against this idea with so called “abuse”.
No one said all. I have 5 accounts that i Sub for. Guess what? I can cut that down to 2, with your system.
There is zero incentive for me to continue to sub all 5 of my accounts. If i have one rorqual alt that i mine with to make isk, i dont need my other accounts on, because i have intel channels, i have local chat, i have everything i need to safely make ISK.
Do you have dyslexia or something?
I will repeat myself for the third time.
No.
Incentive.
For.
Players.
Who.
Already.
Have.
The.
Skills.
Already have the skills.
I did benefit from the 2x skill even though its been only 2 years since Alpha clones came out. So yeah, math aint your strong suit, it seems. But the keyword here is DID. Now that i have the skills, what incentive is there for me to continue to sub?
Let me repeat myself again, since you keep missing this vital point.
There is no incentive for someone who already have the skills, to continue to be omega
Okay, since youre so intent on digging your own grave, lets do the math.
Lets take something simple. Building a Raven battleship. Ill use Fuzzworks website for this.
The build cost for a single raven, is 12,464,333.49 isk at 0% tax.
Guess what it is at a whopping 2% tax.
its 50,837,281.87 isk!!!
Oh wait, no, its not. its a mere 12,713,620.16 isk.
As much as Id love to hold on to that extra 300k isk per raven, i think id take my 1.6 billion isk.
Again, if i were making more than 80 billion isk in profit, then yeah, the 2% is worse. But for the rest of the 99% of people, that 2% is nothing compared to 1.6 billion isk saved.
But pelase, prove me wrong. Post an item and prove that it would matter more than the 1.6 billion isk youd save. Do some basic calculations.
I never said anything about abuse. Youre confusing me with someone else.
But so far I have not seen a single compelling reason to continue to sub as omega for most of my accounts. I guess, if you want to make a system where the players benefit at the cost of CCP, might as well just remove omega and alpha all together. Make everyone omega, all the time, without subscriptions or Plex required. Maybe CCP can work off of donations, or as a sort of volunteer effort thingy, where their staff doesnt get paid?
There are no incentives to remain omega? Just for you or everybody? I got a loooooooot of reasons to stay omega. I hve no f’n clue what youre talking about.