Grats on a wall of waffle nobody will read.
Good grief⌠There just ainât enough coffee in the world to get me to the end of that whole post.
Have you actually read/watched reviews of BDO instead of writing short novels on this here forum? Iâve hardly done anything BUT for the past two days. And when it comes to my opinion of weather or not BDO is P2W f**kfest or not, Iâm more inclined to listen to people who have actual experience playing the game over a longer period of time.
I do agree that skill injectors in EVE are P2A and not P2W. In the end, it doesnât matter how many skill points you have, youâre still able to failfit your ship so badly that youâre loosing a one-on-one engagement against a player with less skillpoints.
BDO works differently though. You can easily be⌠Ah why do I even bother? Please do your research before preaching about the differences between P2W and P2A.
All I know is that in April this year, things got so bad, PA had to post an open letter apologising to their player base for all the shitmongery and asshattery they pulled of over the past two years. So now we know what it is PA and CCP have in common.
Although, to CCPâs credit, at least it took them 8 years to severely piss off their player base. And when they apologised, they did it in person, on stage, in front of all their players. These PA jokers only needed two years to â â â â with their players so badly it got out of hand and when push came to shove, they just hid behind an online post.
Edit: You sure youâre not a PA employee trying to spread propaganda ahead of trying to â â â â us over?
There is a lot to do in null, it could get some P2A in anomalies and mining mechanics. 
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It has been already done, Skill injectors + rorqual are perfect examples of P2A.
If you can not see that then you will swallow much more in days to come.
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The timing of rorqual change introductions is interesting. More so, the odd selective blindspot in tackling unintended effects. Well, unintended âŚ
Of course, but there is still so much to be done hehe.
Would you call it good, if they took Abyss multiplayer in the direction of good group rewards, like Incursions? If it was better rewards, players might stop running incursion content entirely, since isk/hr is the only consideration. If isk/hr was the same, players would then choose PvE based on ⌠?
Since incursions are fixed and abyss is not theyâd choose incursions
The abyss can be entered from anywhere, the âabyss communityâ would never have to move. Except if they wanted to keep highsec Abyss gankers guessing: it might not be a good idea to always use the same system.
No I would not. Sorry.
My reasons are based on my past experiences, I used to run some incursions back in the day as well as engage in various âgroup contentâ. I give everything that CCP comes up with a good fair and indepth try before passing judgement on it.
So heres the thing. Incursions are still kinda OK, but kinda meh. As you know the number of people doing them has drastically declined. This is mostly to the optimal group size of 10-11 ships / players.
So CCP can make the group abyss like incursions, targeted at same number of players in which case they will also decline, just like incursions, or they can make it smaller groups of 3-5 players, in which case these things will be initially perhaps good depending on the rewards, but then players will leave and be replaced by multiboxers and bots. Which is extremely bad. Their closed nature would become a haven for multibox riskfree farming. Super bad.
IMHO the best things that can happen to abyss are:
- Keep the single closed instance, rebalance the risk vs reward for levels 3-4-5, keep the newb ones as is.
- Open them up to make them work like any regular dedspace mission with possibility of gankers warping in and ganking, just like they do in regular L4 L5 missions.
Also, they canât get the risk vs reward right. Abyss income is crap. And yes I know I will get people arguing otherwise, especially those that ran the event and sold everything at the super inflated event prices. But look at it now. Everything, and I do mean everything is in a super sharp drastic decline and it doesnât look like its going to hit bottom anytime soon. There is still a glut of stuff listed at high prices, but if you check, not much of that glut is selling anymore since the event ended
A large part of this is the economy and CCPs design. I got into building the precursor ships and modules, guns etc. and its all super extra crap and a big loss most of the time. You make no ISK.
Blueprints:
The only blueprints that sell at OK prices are: Leshak, vedmak, the T2 researched large precursor turret, and the T2 researched large occult ammo. Rest of them are utter â â â â and so not sell. Many listed for minimum contract prices.
The ships:
Demavik - loss, you get way more ISK from selling the mats then building and selling it.
Vedmak - depending on market swings - average breaks even - sometimes loss, sometimes slight profit
Leshak - still some profit but at current rate of decline it will become a loss very soon, quite possibly within less then a weeks worth of time.
T1 guns - super loss, a huge loss, to be completely avoided
T2 guns - another huge loss. Since the initial hype train and event died down these have taken such a dramatic dive they are not worth building at all. The large ones used to be profitable while hype and event was running, now they are the biggest losers cause require most mats.
The gun situation is particularly bad since there is a glut of them while precursor ships, unlike other ships in the game, use only 1 per ship, thus no need to buy more.
T2 entropic damage mods - these are either very slight profit or slight loss pending market swings. Roughly break even, thatâs because they donât use mats from abyss.
T2 ammo - loss. Again there was a bit of profit during the initial hype and event, and again that is gone.
So all in all the current rewards from abyss are on a continuous downward spiral. IMHO the abyss ships themselves are too underwhelming and need to be simply a bit better to increase the demand for them and make them more widely used by more players in more roles. Then the construction materials drops in abyss need to be increased, or construction requirements need to be decreased.
A steady movement of material at an increased rate would stabilize it all and give a very simple to use tool to increase / decrease profit from running abyss sites at the same time.
When all is said and done, unfortunately, I honestly have zero faith in CCPs ability to make any of this happen and in the right way. They most likely will take the group route, with rewards being good only short term and most likely later on these instances will fall and degrade to multiboxing / botting cause no one else in their right mind will be doing them longterm.
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Thank you CCP.
Hope everyone chills out 
Funny that I have been flaged for FALCONs violation, vired forum isnât it? Or they are just desperate ???
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AGAIN: this is not proper words for community manager
Yeah, even though CCP stated posting protocol in these new forums would be more lax, time has shown they still rule it with an iron fist. As for posted replies, need to be very tactful and not so blunt when voicing an opinion, thereâs way too many fanboys and alts here that meta game these forums by ganging up with the flag option.
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But WHY???
CCP has been sold, they do not have to pretend anymore âŚ
Well they said it in this thread, theyâre still conducting business as usual⌠for now.
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I think it might actually be a good thing, switching from regular investor to gaming one ! I suppose @Hilmar didnt got much choices and couldnt keep his shares.
Also i donât understand forum hate and talk about p2w, besides owning black desert, we donât really know Pearl Abyss they arenât the one that ported it to Europe / North America.
As i understand the one that ported it are korean equivalent to aol / msn messenger.
Gaming wast really their things they wanted money, no time to study our markets !
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This is a common misunderstanding.
CCP is still owned by investors/shareholders, but now they are ownedby PAâs investors/shareholders, not CCPs.
See what I mean?
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i see what you mean but they were partially owned by investors/shareholder already, it basically switched hands to Pearl Abyss ones, except they have no more shares themselves now.
edit: oh the regular to gaming you mean well i donât know much about PA so i cant really tell maybe its a misconception on my part
Exactly.
If there has been one negative outcome already, its that CCP staff, especially Hilmar, whom had shares in CCP, now no longer do, thus reducing their fiscal investiture in CCP (and EVE).
Otherwise, what happened is CCPs owners/investors got swapped to PAâs owners investors, and added an additional top tier to CCPs structure, as PA.
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