An NPC Casino

I can argue about morality, however morality has nothing to do with adding an NPC as an isk sink into the game. Activities like forced pvp against someone who does not want it are less moral than this, however we don’t have arguments over the morality of ganking or pvp. How is this different?

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Great idea, an NPC run casino that while it can make some people rich some of the time will mostly suck wealth out of everyone most of the time who use it. Great ISK sink for people who have too much and makes CCP money by reducing excess wealth from those players and keeping everyone a bit poorer who gambles away their wealth in hopes they will be that rare winner.

Please, think of a fun assortment of mini-games to add to the casino so losing all our ISK can be fun at least. Also, please don’t forget not to violate international laws concerning RNG and gambling related activities in video games. Wouldn’t want to be accused of using some sort of predatory practices to lure people into spending on something based on RNG you will change completely later on. That’s immoral and illegal.

As for the morality of a video game that practically offers a way to enslave yourself to it in hopes of playing for free in a fictional universe where capsuleers are immortal despotic gods who cause constant destruction that according to lore contain millions of humans who keep the structure working and whose lives are worth less than an ISK. I heard the same about ships, so when your ship dies like dozens of people’s family’s providers also get decimated in your evening roam. These are just humans in a universe where regular people are just sub-capsuleer trash who fuel the workings of every combat scenario and life loss in any destruction.

They know not what they die and fight for but they must as most non-capsuleers can’t earn a single ISK in their lifetime they are so worthless to galactic society that even if all you have to do is die that is probably the most value you will provide in any consideration. Like they don’t think about creating escape pods for the crew of the ship or people living in a structure but one escape pod for an immortal clone copy that only needs to survive to save expensive implants with the equivalent of millions of humans lives in value.

Hopefully they have decent life insurance and sudden death bonus for the human slaves that operate every ship and structure in this game they must die in when destroyed.

Thank you for the support Gowa! I agree with your suggestion that the games shouldn’t be too much like gambling, to prevent running afoul of gambling laws. And your argument about morality is excellent, in a game where the lore is very dark, and the rules against scamming and forced fighting basically being non-existent, gambling is not that much of a deal versus say a pokemon mmorpg, which has a lot more children playing than adults.

You’re saying pvp in a pvp game is more immoral than offering gambling to kids?

Did i just read that?

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Some people don’t like pvp that is not started by them, it is only an example. And be realistic, how many kids play this game? Of those kids, how many will be so addicted to the gambling feature that they will max out their parents credit cards?

You think I want mass gambling in eve. All I want is an isk sink, gabling with virtual currency in a way is already a thing. What if a kid gets addicted to the mutaplasmid ‘lottery’, and we read about how he purchased 30 thousand dollars in plex to buy 100 officer modules to ‘enhance’. How immoral is that?

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It’s age rating is 13 iirc (or T for teen?). It doesn’t matter how many actual 13 years olds play, that is it’s rating. That is the standard on which eves features are based.

Isn’t one more than enough? Why take that risk? Why be the company that brought gambling in a virtual casino to a kids game? Designed it and endorsed it?

This goes beyond loot boxes. You’re talking about an actual casino…for kids. For 13 year olds.

I kinda agree. Let me see if i can find the thread.

It’s not considered gambling yet. But the media are poised to jump on a story like you describe and make predators out of games companies.

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All valid points, however Star Trek online has much more gambling, both actual with Dabo tables, and close to it, with lockboxes, and they have no media criticism. EVE will also not suffer any issues. Kids are not fools, and if they are foolish enough to gamble in a video game then its the fault of the kid and the parents. The only exception are games that purposely trick children to try and squeeze money out of them, especially games designed for children, which EVE is not. In that case your arguments are all valid.

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It is safe to say this isn’t ever going to go anywhere at all.

Literally on bbc news channel right now.

Yet this proposal does not include loot boxes.

part of the reason they did away with gambling was the EU released regs against games that “advertise gambling to children” as a side bonus they got to blame it on RMT

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Perhaps changing the rating for the game could help. That way ccp can say its advertised for adults and not children.

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It probably would, but at the sametime restricts their playerbase.

Well the vast majority of kids play M-rated games without difficulty, CCP just needs to have a ‘are you 18’ disclaimer and checker (which everyone ignores), to evade any legal issues. The playerbase will not be restricted.

Just because you play games above your age limit doesn’t mean everyone does.

Higher age rated games seem to have fewer players.

Can you give me some examples? Many classic games across age differences tend to not have much difference in players based on rating, Call of Duty is claimed by everyone to have immature kids playing, how is that possible with an M-rating?

EVE Online has many players entering the game, the only issue is them staying. But getting them in the door is not a problem, and adding good heat sinks won’t reduce people entering the game. In fact, if some overzealous moral judge or country makes a scandal, everyone is going to want to play the game more.

I don’t. I just remember reading an article on comparing age ratings between films and games and a survey on parents.

The jist being that age ratings were considered less for games than film. But there was still evidence to suggest that higher age rated games limited sales when compared to similar games that were given lower age ratings. And this was echoed in the survey half of parents would not let their kids see a film with an adult rating, vs 14% of parents would not let their kids play an adult rated game. But it’s still 14%.

No link though.

I asked for a link only to see if you had a study, since we both don’t have one saying each side is better I will go with what is financially the best. Many parents let their kids play whatever they want, the few parents who police the kids gameplay are too insignificant to have to worry about, and tend to be parents that likely wouldn’t let their kids play either due to religious belief or strict upbringing.

EVE is a game where you are an immortal pilot that is wired into a capsule through the spine and brain, and has a very dark lore supporting the game. Those under 18 who play are rare, and the few who do most likely have parents who could care less about their gameplay, and can easily fund their subscription and NES purchases through Steam or prepaid cards.

Therefore, saying that a good isk sink that many paying adult players enjoy, (an EVE casino that rewards isk and standings, perhaps even LP for a special casino LP store) should be banned in order to satisfy a very insignificant portion of the population, who more than likely will never play, is foolish.

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Pretty much this, especially when people complain about little Johnny using dad’s credit card to rack up $750 in what look pretty much like gambling debts.

So…just no.

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Thank you CCP for listening if you did! This is a perfect feature that couldn’t be closer to what I proposed on this thread.

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