An Open and Honest Letter to CCP from an Alliance Leader

[Xucca]

I told you we don’t die enough!

Now this, is as true a year ago, as it is nowdays. We don’t die in the quantities we should as byproduct of baseless, arbitrary, off-track senseless decisions which seem to manifest from thin air that I am absolutely sure will not change.

I take OP’s post with a welcoming thank you, but no… thank you.

Because in order to get EVE back to any track, it is fundamental to understand that egos’ have momentum, which is interesting but not something one willingly deals with.

So, yes… we have to die but under those rules, all those left turns the code will never undo. Players are not responsible for it. If there would be someone to blame, is the peeps being lured to the game, altering what was working almost fine for players. Oblivious, they are being looked into, pretending and guessing what they want and forcibly pushing it as a crapscade into the game, no vaseline included.

While we are not being popped in the adequate amounts, EVE is not working as it should. I don’t really think EVE needs CCP’s help. The lack of creativity, stamina and direction have been widely proven, this thread included. If anything, I’d suggest a shift… as from where I stand, some egos’ seem way, WAAY too heavy and will never backpedal.

[Hatch_Nasty]

@Induce_Deadline

• Less likely to die in high
• More likely to die in null/low/wormholes

I think we’ve kind of hashed these to death. Our perspectives differ, let’s leave it at that. Especially when…

@Induce_Deadline

• Makes more sense to put carrots in riskier space.
• Juicy rewards in high, not so juicy rewards in null is thus broken and needs fixing, which is part of the problem Shines covers.

…we’re in total agreement on these points. I’m just of the opinion that there’s some room for bargaining here. My only real gripe with the OP was the tone. Rather than just asking for (demanding?) more riches, recognize some of the less healthy aspects of the status quo, and offer up something in exchange. I offered up one suggestion, I’m sure there are others.

Of course, this whole discussion is rather pointless, when you think about it. I mean, they say hope springs eternal. But this is CCP we’re talking about.

[Xucca]

Oh… and this thread reminds me of null renters… -if they still exist-… well, they do, but:
I recall a total inversion there… I laugh at peeps demanding “Highsex imperviosity”… Renters acted as security rings in null, strategically advantageous of the geography, it was the less trigger experienced peeps who farmed the vast rings of riches. It was a door to null, handed to noobs in a protective bubble for a convenient fee.
It worked!
One could not wait for the next train through hell to reach the goodies… and we did not complain for being popped… we learned.
It was good.
Now… there’s just fake entitlement.

[Shamen]

@Gix_Firebrand

Right? And my point stands, and you know it does, hence why you deflect

The insulting aspect was calling someone a boy, hence the ignoring rather than deflecting.

@Gix_Firebrand

Oh? So if null is what its supposed to be, then the OP’s post has no merit because you agree the players have done it to themselves, it isn’t CCP’s fault and the players can fix it but don’t want to.

You think players introduced the BRM, changed the economy and introduced scarcity?

@Gix_Firebrand

But let’s be real. Null has turned into FarmFest, and the players are the ones responsible.

Hence the boredom.

As I have said, and you continue to ignore. Nullsec has always been in this loop of farming, stagnation and huge wars.

@Gix_Firebrand

After all, you can’t tell me any stories of yore are coming out of null now, can you?

The biggest war to have ever happened was very recently. There will be many stories told about it for years to come, especially since its a world record.

@Gix_Firebrand

Maybe the sun has set.

Maybe it has, which would be a huge shame considering the majority of hostile player-interaction/conflict/kills are part of nullsec.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Shamen

The insulting aspect was calling someone a boy, hence the ignoring rather than deflecting.

Sure bruv. Keep the excuses going tho.

It’s cute

@Shamen

You think players introduced the BRM, changed the economy and introduced scarcity?

I think CCP isn’t the one forcing you to dock up and do nothing

@Shamen

As I have said, and you continue to ignore. Nullsec has always been in this loop of farming, stagnation and huge wars.

In your opinion

You can’t tell me it hasn’t been stagnate for a long time bruv.

@Shamen

The biggest war to have ever happened was very recently. There will be many stories told about it for years to come, especially since its a world record.

What stories? No one is even talking about it anymore.

Even the people who fought it in themselves aren’t even talking about it.

Face it. Null may be boring, but it has nothing to do with CCP.

[Shamen]

@Gix_Firebrand

I think CCP isn’t the one forcing you to dock up and do nothing

A lot of nullsec players have alts in high-sec right now actually. I still don’t understand why on earth you would expect players to work against themselves? It makes so little sense to me.

@Gix_Firebrand

In your opinion

Not in my opinion, its a demonstrable loop that has been happening ever since I ventured into nullsec in Fountain Alliance, even back when the game was still a new game there were these kinds of loops.

@Gix_Firebrand

What stories? No one is even talking about it anymore.

I see there is no further point to this discussion? Are you so set in your belief?

One last question. What would it take you to change your mind on this topic? I am more than willing to adjust what I think or believe if presented with information that couldn’t easily be debunked, that is yet to happen.

[Khalid_DeCroix]

I’m a salty bittervet who mostly undocks in NPC space to shoot people. I used to enjoy ratting, but CCP removed that. I used to enjoy ice mining, but CCP practically removed that for like a year. I used to enjoy building pirate ships and battleships out of rat loot, but CCP removed that.

Other people also enjoyed these things. Most of them are gone now. If I want to make money, I’m supposed to go to highsec…Risk/reward is completely backwards. Nullsec is a barren wasteland. Those who remain are only around because we like each other’s company and because we haven’t (yet) talked them into switching games entirely. Rest assured that such measures are on the radar. From personal experience, Eve players are still playing full loot pvp games; just not Eve…

I had 3 accounts running the last few years, but mostly keep them unsubbed other than the main. Most of the other players in our group are doing the same if they haven’t disappeared entirely. Good job, CCP. Scarcity worked!

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Shamen

A lot of nullsec players have alts in high-sec right now actually. I still don’t understand why on earth you would expect players to work against themselves? It makes so little sense to me.

How is attempting to further your own empire working against yourself?

Face it bruv, ya’ll don’t wanna fight.

So any surprise it’s boring?

@Shamen

Not in my opinion, its a demonstrable loop that has been happening ever since I ventured into nullsec in Fountain Alliance, even back when the game was still a new game there were these kinds of loops.

Yes, except it isn’t a loop anymore

@Shamen

I see there is no further point to this discussion? Are you so set in your belief?

One last question. What would it take you to change your mind on this topic? I am more than willing to adjust what I think or believe if presented with information that couldn’t easily be debunked, that is yet to happen.

Thank you for ceding the field

I guess giving up is pretty standard for ya’ll huh?

It’s facts bro. Null is boring because ya’ll make it boring.

@Khalid_DeCroix

Other people also enjoyed these things. Most of them are gone now. If I want to make money, I’m supposed to go to highsec…Risk/reward is completely backwards. Nullsec is a barren wasteland. Those who remain are only around because we like each other’s company and because we haven’t (yet) talked them into switching games entirely. Rest assured that such measures are on the radar. From personal experience, Eve players are still playing full loot pvp games; just not Eve…

Sadly this is what most players want now.

They do want risk free ISK making.

If null sec is barren, shouldn’t it be easy to take over then?

[Khalid_DeCroix]

I would not know. I have not engaged with sov mechanics since the Halloween war lol. There are many areas of space, and good moons, right now that are relatively unprotected though, yes. I have very little interest in owning moons though.

[Shamen]

@Gix_Firebrand

If null sec is barren, shouldn’t it be easy to take over then?

You could always try. I don’t know why I didn’t just check your killboard. It makes so much sense now. Have a nice evening

[Shamen]

Even moons aren’t really that lucrative anymore, even high end. The moon change essentially made them produce vast quantities of resources in every region, so the number of stocks available has undercut prices for a considerable amount of time now.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Shamen

You could always try. I don’t know why I didn’t just check your killboard. It makes so much sense now. Have a nice evening

Ah yes cause killboard matters so much right? LOL.

I like how you run cause you can’t counter the points tho

And how would I try? I have no interest in living in null. Most of the null peeps I meet, like yourself, seem to be utter quafeheads.

Here you are complaining of boredom, when you have all the tools to do something about it. You simply refuse to.

So how about this, you want me to try? Give me access to your Alliance leadership Put me in a real role with real power to get things done.

Give me a month

[Shamen]

@Gix_Firebrand

I like how you run cause you can’t counter the points tho

It’s not running because I can’t counter, it’s admitting defeat in the fact I cannot get through to someone unwilling to approach something with an open mind. I’ve come into this discussion firmly set in my belief but willing to change if a good case is presented. You are not. You are making unfounded claims and relying on how you feel instead of the reality of the situation. I admit defeat on that end. Enjoy your ganking friend.

[Khalid_DeCroix]

Not sure what you’re implying. Null mentality has been the same the whole time I’ve been in null, and I’ve been in null for a very long time. HAC’s making it easier to run from fights is about the only difference, but players can’t fix that.

If anything, the bittervets with too much money are even more willing to whelp ships or lose a few cruisers here and there. HAC’s and t1 bc are practically free.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Shamen

It’s not running because I can’t counter, it’s admitting defeat in the fact I cannot get through to someone unwilling to approach something with an open mind. I’ve come into this discussion firmly set in my belief but willing to change if a good case is presented. You are not. You are making unfounded claims and relying on how you feel instead of the reality of the situation. I admit defeat on that end. Enjoy your ganking friend.

How are they unfounded?

Also I barely gank, and those ganks were for a purpose

Amazing cause you can’t get any context out of zkills LOL.

You didn’t come to argue in good faith. You came cause you were told to come to support a thread

How is it unfounded?

You have all the tools to make the game great again.

You wanted me to try. So give me what I asked for

But you won’t. Instead you’ll just switch to krabbing on your pochpoch alts

What’s sad is even long time players have forgotten what makes EVE, EVE.

The rulesets will always change. The sand is what you are able to shape to your will.

Sadly, you’ve turned null into FarmFest 2022.

No one to blame but yourselves

@Khalid_DeCroix

If anything, the bittervets with too much money are even more willing to whelp ships or lose a few cruisers here and there. HAC’s and t1 bc are practically free.

Right and so they mean nothing.

Meaningful actual content is always available to them, if they wanted.

But they don’t.

They just want to farm in complete safety

[Shamen]

It’s a practice in futility trying to get them to change their mind on this. I wouldn’t even bother. They are caught up in believing how they feel about null, rather than how null actually is. They even admitted they don’t like null, but somehow are an expert.

[Gix_Firebrand]

Oh I like the space just fine. But as you can tell, most of ya’ll who live there make it boring.

I regularly filament in and do some expo, always fun.

What’s funny is your bias is obvious as well friend. You don’t care about the greater health of the game.

You simply want more krabs for your krabs

[Khalid_DeCroix]

No. They want farmers so that there is someone to shoot if you go roaming. Those farmers then get angry and form up to shoot you. Every “farming” system I lived in had pvp ships stationed in it. If a fleet was fightable, or stuck around long enough for us to form up if it was a bigger fleet, they would have a fight. I can’t think of any null groups that didn’t do this although some were better about it than others.

Heck, I will, and have, done 1v10’s and whatnot if it’s a fleetcomp I think I could get some kills against. Although most pvp’ers are not quite that risk tolerant.

You seem to be talking down to people who know way more about the space than you do lol. Good luck with that.

[Gix_Firebrand]

Yes Im well aware. I’ve also seen peeps dock up and smack talk me when I’m just solo in my little ol helios

I’ve lived in null too bruv.

I didn’t even use zkills until I had to join RIFTA

I’ve fought outnumbered a bunch of times and died a bunch of times. You want a medal?

Talking down? Talking truth bruv.

It’s just most null sec people are caught off guard when people actually talk back to them

What’s funny is you get to used to holding your line members hostage and too used to just hearing yes.

You want content? Make some.

What I find so funny is Goons had the biggest shake up recently. Love or hate him, Mits been a figure in EVE a long time.

Could have been a prime time to hit them up or at least do some probing sorties to test them.

But no one did anything.

Face it. Most of your homies just want to sit in the donut and eat it.

Gone are the days where people actually fought for territory or had a vision of carving out empire in the frontier of 0.0.

And ya’ll’s reponse? Oh you try. How can I try? Because the one thing ya’ll don’t want is the status quo upset

If it were up to me, I’d reinstitute blackout tomorrow, I’d give the ores and the ratting back, and I’d give people reasons to actually be out in space.

Yes, I’m well aware the wolves need sheep and vice versa.

However, what you fail to understand is most of EVE’s current playerbase want to sheep in complete safety.

Why do you think most krabs hate filaments?

[Khalid_DeCroix]

You fail to make a coherent point here other than that you think null players just want to “sheep in complete safety.” A point which is demonstrably not true over 15 years of playtime. A point which is not true by the stories posted in the very thread, nor by the players I know in null right now, including myself. Many, if not most, old time null players are avid pvp’ers.

If you’re convinced no one wants to fight you, try going to some active space in a pvp ship. You’ll have to go about 30 jumps because null is empty, but you’ll die quickly enough.

If some space carebear talks smack in local, I kill them lol. I make them eat their words. Maybe you should try that.

The biggest carebears I’ve ever known in null will drop everything to kill you and go right back to mining. It’s always been that way. I’m sorry the vexor/ishtar bots aren’t undocking to kill you. Thankfully, pvp hasn’t been botted(yet).

There are also many organizations in null outside the donut(s). The blocs, despite wanting you to believe it’s all about them, are not the only null organizations. I have not been a part of any sizeable donut for nearly a decade lol.

One does have to assume with you condescension and advocating blackout, one of the worst ideas CCP has ever had, you are trolling. Good luck and good day!