Mostly true. While WH residents are used to and sign up for a ‘no local’ wild-west experience, forcing it on the rest of null was soundly rejected. After the first few days, few ratters or miners could be found in null space. With few out mining or ratting, roaming pvp’rs gave up looking, which also ended the job of gate-campers: wolves complained as loudly as the sheep.
I knew one guy who was still mining during the blackout: sacrificing a mining alt to watch the “in” gate. Paying 100% attention, 100% of the time, for half the income. Didn’t lose a ship
At least with names in local, you have a chance to escape if you’re paying attention. But null ratting/mining now is not ‘completely safe,’ no matter what blue donut you are in - because so many players can’t pay 100% attention for hours at a time, especially with mining being so boring and AFK’able.
You are not making any sort of a cohesive argument, nor are you really considering the words I say. It’s not really “giving up” if Gix’s mouth is still moving without him saying anything. I could also sit here and copy paste my words over and over again lol. I’m too old for that these days though and have better things to do. Like go farm apparently ^-^
I like how you are marginalizing an Eve “minority” and saying my opinion is invalid as your argument though lol. That can go right up there with blackout in terms of terrible ideas.
The point is loss tho. With blackout, you can actually take people by surprise.
You can’t really engage in a lot of tactics in EVE due to local. The intelligence is provides is astronomical. Have I used this to my own advantage? Of course, 100%.
Would I be ok with blackout? Yes, a 100%.
Would I be go ok with getting wtfpwned out of nowhere if I get caught lacking? Yes, 100%.
Hell, just last night when I was playing Outlands I got wombo comboed by a stealth PK. Wasn’t even mad cause that dude earned his kill for sure.
You always have a chance to escape. Local just makes it way easier.
Of course I am. You’re just deflecting it cause you got no counter and you know its truth
More excuses Its ok bruv. You can simply give up. No one will judge you.
Hm. Reading comprehension is hard for you
Null deff isn’t a minority in terms of EVE LOL.
Most major game decisions are made with null at the top of mind.
Also, I can’t remember who it was crying about abyssals being more profitable in HS.
Not true when I got Goons saying how much money they are making hand over fist running abyssals in complete safety in the donut
All these words and no point. Just you repeating yourself. You like blackout. You have some obsession with goons. I can’t refute the fact that you personally like something lol.
I mean, the favoritism is clear, even from the CCP end as a dev actually posted in this thread, which happens never really.
Yennoe, I wouldn’t even really be opposed in the past, as I feel null does bring the game a lot of exposure and good stories which keeps the game’s profile up.
However, it appears that time has definitely passed.
And again, it isn’t CCP that’s responsible. Its the players themselves.
No one wants to make big moves or push boundaries anymore. You don’t hear much emergent gameplay coming from null.
Just crying about beacons and how they can’t print ISK anymore.
The fire has gone out. There might be small factions here and there with the drive, but what can they really do against the big alliances?
The stagnation isn’t CCP’s fault.
The players have simply changed and for the worst.
Why would anyone waste time and money conquering nearly worthless space? Sov warfare is not particularly fun, nor has it ever been really. This is doubly so if you’re talking about sov warfare involving massive groups.
Tactics? What tactics? The main one that happened until victims tired of it, was being snuck up on by a surprise attacker, with no clue they were near. At that point a mining ship with a 10-second align time had to deal with a cloaked ship with at most a 5-second locking delay. If they were paying 100% attention. And if they didn’t have a friend or sacrifice an alt(s) to watch gate(s).
With local chat active, various other tactics to catch those same miners or ratters can be attempted, such as:
• Login trap. While this works under a blackout, It’s a useful if imperfect method to catch ppl at a predictted location. Local chat quickly informs an attacker which specific pilots are actively using a system they pass through, making it worth investigating and setting up a trap for later. Under blackout, it could take hours or days of cloaky and killboard study - and after all that be generally pointless to move friends or alts in position to make up the trap, since if you have learned everything that goes on there and are probably watching the activity with an alt anyway that the target isn’t aware of, just jump the gate with your pew pew friends, and warp to the target.
• New feature since the blackout: Mobile Observatory. Few would use this, unless they had a good idea someone was in the system to de-cloak, and the local chat list provides this confidence.
• Attacker sees names on entering local, and disguises intent by passing through quickly, only to return 10 minutes later, warping to a rock or PvE combat site previously bookmarked. Perhaps even bookmarked by a different character. Maybe this other character is a blue spy alt in the alliance. That’s 2 or 3 variations in one bullet point, although spy alts can work under any conditions
Most of null refused to adapt to the blackout. With few miners and ratters willing to sacrifice an alt to watch gates in their space, to “shine a flashlight in the dark” - (keep in mind that a good number of mining and ratting losses occur today, despite amazing local chat intel) the rest of the null ecosystem of roamers and campers collapsed. This nullsec experiment was tried and failed and is not coming back.
This thread should focus on the OP’s lengthy discussion of suggestions that might help EVE from this point forward.
Those barges showing up on the kb are in our imagination! Also the rorquals and ratting ships. And no one gets surprised ever since the blackout. /s because internet
Dear oh dear.
