The removal of diversity in options for running Burners is really what hurts it the most as a Frigate PvP emulating activity.
What makes Frigate PvP so fun and intense is the whole rock-paper-scissors meta behind it, trying to guess what the opponent is using and trying to figure out the best way to approach and fight it. If you guess right and your counter is strong enough to their fit, then you win.
Now imagine this sort of metagame playing out when everyone uses exactly 4 different frigates: Garmurs, hawks, daredevils, and wolves. That’s it, cause they are the only things that can fight Burners now.
Update on ticket and important info if u lost ships in burner missions:
Just got the ships back, fitting included (only the stuff, that didn’t drop!). So write a ticket if u recently lost ships in a burner mission cause of the buff.
Awesome! So basically, just run Teams for now because those are still cakewalks. Or go invent some better fits for agents which will be even better once those are fixed. I am a fan of the latter option, personally.
This is a good point actually. Didn’t CCP originally said they wanted burner missions to be somewhat PvP ? No capsuleer could fit a ship like the ones we’re flying against in burner missions. About the best any capsuleer could do with a cruor is 7227 raw hp in armor:
[Cruor, armor 7227hp]
Imperial Navy 400mm Steel Plates
Imperial Navy 400mm Steel Plates
Syndicate 100mm Steel Plates
‘Citadella’ 100mm Steel Plates
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
*EG-606
This fit leaves no room for resists that the rat has, nor room for damage outside of one small drone.
So it would be really interesting to know what CCPs rational for the change is.
[Jaguar, bait]
Damage Control II
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
just 6.7 k raw hp but heated it crankes out 81k ehp
I’ll do that - after I get a chance to run it on the test server against a couple “normal” Agents. Maybe I’ll throw a couple other ones over there as well - bad internet and I have a long and sordid history so I have some cap-stable fits people might like. I have better connection now but the fear is still strong…
Just to add my 5 cents… I did not look for this thread untill it was too late… just lost my Cyclone to Angel Base… I could not even go past 40% of the shield on escorts… they were just tanking insane amounts of damage. I was lucky I did not get any single Burners yet. But is that confirmed now that they indeed upped all single burner missions too?
I know there has been rumors and a censored gm response of how this was a bug and unintentional.
But that isnt offical and all gms can have different answers as we have seen over the years.
It is VERY STRANGE that ONLY the anomic agent burners have had their HP buffed, which includes the dramiel burner, which there are 4 of them for the Angel base.
The teams are specifically not affected. The Blood base with the 2 Sentinel frigates are not affected.
Only the agent frigates.
Just seems rather “strange” for this to be unintentional. Like all assault frigs or all pirate frigs or all t2 frigs or all frigs total would make sense.
But the fact that the Angel base is buffed and not the Blood is interesting.
I am almost willing to bet the SILENCE on offical forums and reddit means that they are NOT going to publicly acknowledge it or address it.
Guys, after years and years of ccp, how can we be all happy-go-lucky that one dude got some ships refunded and that random gm said they will fix it?
That gms words are garbage until @CCP_Lebowski or someone publicly acknowledges this issue.
And honestly im sure at this point they will just wait til next patch/hisec expansion.
Dont be nieve, they see us complaining.
Dont be nieve, they are aware of the issue.
They are CHOOSING and DECIDING not to publicly acknowledge it when last time THEY DID JUST THAT.
Its been 5 days now and still not a single reaction from CCP.
I dont care that they (intentionally or not) changed something, or that i didnt get my Harpy replaced because apparently there was no bug or shadow buff according to the GM.
It just pisses me off that CCP dont seem to care at all, they just seem to ignore it.
Just a single post like “we know and are investigating” or “we forgot to mention it in the patchnotes” or sth. would be fine with me…
I want to know if these changes are permanent or not.
That is what I DESPISE about burners, they get magical super ships/equipment that would make the Jovians jealous. Frigates with the stats of battlecruisers/battleships, it’s like the damn pirates have Tech 4 crap already. Gotta do something to help prop up that lazy A.I. and repetitive objectives.
Apologies for the late reply on this, I’ve been on my summer holiday for the last week. I can confirm at this time that we absolutely haven’t done any sort of stealth buff to these missions.
Pardon the interruption into your pity party here but.
It is CCP’s game, if they want to stealth nerf / buf that is there prerogative, if you do not like it then leave and on the way out may I suggest you send your stuff to The Magic School Bus initiative so it can go to deserving new players.
EvE is supposed to be about friends at least that is what everyone tells us, yet here you are complaining that you need to have friends to run some of these missions. NO I do not care that you USED to be able to do them solo but you cannot run them solo now.
The burner missions have always been overpaid (ISK and LP) for the difficulty level so it is good to see CCP finally change them, although I would have preferred they simply reduce the ISK / LP payouts.
Everyone complains about the boring repetitive nature of missions, and now that CCP has done something to remove a portion of that boring and repetitive aspect here you are complaining about that.
NO CCP is not required to notify us via the dev blogs or other channels of changes they make to their game.
Yes these changes have affected me, my mission character lost a ship because of them. The difference between us is that I accept that CCP has the right to change their game however and whenever they want, they have no requirement to notify us of those changes, that and instead of coming here and crying over the loss and demanding that CCP change I simply pick up, learn from it and move on.
Yes I do wish they would add some stealth changes to all level 4 and up PvE content, and I wish they would make changes on a routine basis so players could not run them afk in the same cookie cutter fits they have been using since the dawn of time.
In the end one of the most basic aspects of EvE seems to apply here. Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose because you will lose it at some point.
Anything that can be run by following a guide is not ‘High Tier’. It is a test of your ability to repeat the same actions again and again.
That’s no dig at it by the way, if that’s what you enjoy then fine by me, just don’t complain when you have to change the guides every blue moon and lose the odd ship. Surely at 200mil/hour you can afford a few.
