Bumping mining fleets has been an ongoing issue for years, and such a problem wouldn’t go unaddressed in real life. EVE claims to be a player-based community, so I’m giving it my best shot to be heard. Implementing an anchor for ice or ore meteors seems like a straightforward solution that people would naturally adopt. Perhaps a Tech II Higgs that locks your ship into position in space, functioning like a gravitational web to pull you back into place, could work.
Using a Higgs, active core, and booster on your Orca doesn’t solve the issue completely—you still get bumped away, albeit slightly slower. I just wanted to mention this so you know I’ve tried various methods to address the problem.
Players tend to post ideas on this forum without thinking of the unintended consequences of them. If you could “anchor” an Orca in place, then any player in an NPC corp could warp into your corps moon mining op, anchor their ship, and mine every last bit of the ore that YOU paid to generate. And since they are in an NPC corp, they can’t be war decced. Your only other option is to try to gank them. 20 players could enter your corps moon mining op, “anchor” their Orcas, wipe out your entire moon belt, and there’s not a damn thing you could do about it.
For future reference, any time you think about posting an idea for EVE, think of any and every way it could possibly be exploited first. If there is a way to exploit it or use it to grief someone, EVE players are going to do exactly that…
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Mining was a 12 toon activity for ages: The Whale, The 10 Hulks, and the Hauler. All miners have 11 alts. At least. Or did you unsubscribe over scarcity?
If you’re a good miner and kept your stuff together, you can always reship to 12 Talos and blast any unauthorized miners off your grid.
Bumping doesn’t exist for a reason. It’s an exploit to game mechanics. Bumping should cause a suspect flag as it’s a form of PvP and it’s used for PvP. A neutral bumper stops a ship from warping. It lets a player tackle another without getting a suspect flag. There’s no defense against a neutral bumper. None. You can’t destroy it or you’ll get Concorded. Then the attack ships come in.
Bumping is PvP and should always give you a suspect flag. Either that or they need to bring back neutral remote repairing. Why should the offense get neutral attack when the defense can’t get neutral defense?
There is an argument to be made if ships other than those belonging to the corporation mined the moon ore would go suspect, it creates more opportunity for PvP and limits folk from using a holding corp to avoid their main corp from getting wardecd, further increasing PvP content.
Though just taking the damn things away would be win IMHO as previously stated.
That’s another conversation then. Of course, you could try setting up in a more remote location if you don’t like your neighbors. High Sec is HUGE! I hear Uedama has the absolute best moon mining in Eve! Very remote and very exclusive. Hardly anyone goes there.
No it hasn’t. If a bumper appears, use a Porpoise for boosts, orbiting some rock with running AB. And all your Barges and Exhumers can do the same. The Bumper will leave in less than a few minutes because even if he still hits someone, that ship won’t be affected much as it hardly will get bumped out of laser- or boostrange any more. He will just waste his time and he knows it, trying to find more stupid targets.
A stabber can send a mining barge and even an Orca from one side of an ice field to the other in one hit. I watched that stabber knock an Orca far enough out for it to warp back in (that’s over 150km outside the ice field).
Bumping works. It will knock you very far out there.
Wow Sherlock, thats an 500MN Stabber. And guess what, a 500MN Stabber won’t even hit a moving target because it has an inertia modifier from hell and can only hit stationary targets. Thats why those bumpers hit AFK mining fleets.
Then the bumper is doing it wrong. You’re supposed to bump them out of the ice belt, but not far enough out that they can warp back to it. They are left with only two choices. Warp out to a station, then back to the ice belt, or slow boat back.
I’ve bumped Orcas 100km outside of ice belts and they just sat there for over an hour. That player wasn’t just AFK, they were comatose. If you AFK mine, especially in an Orca, you deserve what you get…
I am not, I am just impressed about people who have no clue about how things actually work claiming stupid things in discussions with the usual “nothing can be done please CCP fix it” attitude.
Bumping Miners simply isn’t a problem in any shape or form, because the miners have easy options to make that completely powerless against them.
Hey, my original point had nothing to do with being bumped out of a system. I’ve never had a problem with aggro bumpers. They don’t bother me. Obviously it’s a sensitive issue for you though. I have no idea why, but it clearly is. I’ll start a campaign right now to get CCP to permanently delete their forums just to save you from being committed.
My original point was a neutral bumper being used because gankers are too cheap to afford a warp scrambler when they attack barges.
Maybe, but what I quoted has. And my reply is related to what I quoted and not to something you meant or wrote earlier.
So what? If you get ganked in HS you messed up big time. The gank is imply the end result of a chain of failure on your side. There are plenty of guides and tools around that tell you “how not to get ganked”. Mainly coming down to: “don’t go fuckin’ AFK and pay some attention to local, nearby systems and your grid.”