I read this entire thread…
However, I did not notice this issue mentioned… and the topic is closed so I cannot reply there.
I was in an Orca which was being bumped by a Stabber. I had fitted a 500MN MWD. The Stabber was headed toward me for a bump. I was headed straight at him with the MWD turned on going at max speed (about 500 m/s) the Stabber bumped me instead of the Orca bumping him.
I have heard from many people that ship physics regarding mass and speed are not in line with RL physics. How is it possible that a Stabber, with a much smaller mass than an Orca, can bump the Orca when it is going at full speed in the direction of the Stabber with a MWD turned on? It doesn’t make much sense to me.
I even bumped my own Orca pretty far with a frigate! How is that even possible???
Replying to the linked thread…
There needs to be some way to defend against a bumper in an ore/ice belt besides warping away.
I have tried many things to counter being bumped, including using a MWD (which is not cap stable) to bump the Stabber. I also tried using the anchor rig that doubles the mass of the Orca. This makes the Orca not go as far when bumped, so the bumper simply bumps the Orca again to get it away from the mining ships (so they are not in boost range.) Plus, the anchor slows the Orca speed to about 18 m/s which results in the Orca having to warp away then warp back to the belt. This is a pain when trying to give boosts to a fleet.
I’m trying to find some logical, effective way to counter a bumper that is pretty much immune to everything except being ganked. I might try that also if I they would not get a killright on me.
I saw the posts about defending moon ore from interlopers. So, not sure what to do about that. However, in a public ore belt, there should be some way to make it so a bumper can be countered. Sure, you can try to bump him back, but a Stabber with a MWD is fast and difficult to bump.
The Orca has a fleet hangar that is almost impossible to use when an aggressive bumper is hanging around. If someone is trying to use an Orca to receive ore from a mining ship, warping away makes that impossible.
This particular bumper will sit in a belt and bump every ship that is stationary or orbiting a rock slow enough where he can bump it. They will also usually sit in the belt and harass people until all the ore has been mined or until everyone leaves.
They especially seem to have a vendetta against Orcas (probably because they are easy to bump.) The bumper wants no Orcas in the belt at all. They want Orca pilots to use a Porpoise. I wouldn’t mind that so much except that the fleet hangar capacity is only 5,000 m3, so I am having to constantly transfer ore in the fleet hangar to the ore hold. The ore hold is also much smaller.
What this particular bumper is doing is pure harassment of miners plain and simple and there really isn’t anything we have figured out to counter it. We have even tried bumping Orcas back into the belt. That doesn’t really work since the Orca is too far away to use the fleet hangar.
After thinking about it a lot, I think in this circumstance where people are getting bumped in an ore belt, I would be in favor of the bumper going suspect so we have some way to deal with them. The bumper has all the benefits and zero repercussions.
FYI… I never mine AFK… ever! I can’t mine AFK, I use my Orca to haul ore for mining ships.
You’re constructive comments are most welcome! Miner bashing isn’t helpful. If there were no miners, where would you get the minerals to build all of your ships?