Any theories on why so many people have quit over the last 2 years?

BTW, here is alternative solution:

If you are bumped for 45 minutes or more you can opt to insta-warp to safety, but your cargo is simply deleted from the server. It is all gone. And any petitions are simply summarily closed with a response of “HTFU and don’t be an idiot.”

Now you can go about recouping your losses and hopefully learn something in the process…although I’m skeptical of the latter.

yeah of course
empty freighters arent really worth the effort of bumping and destroying when you could be using the same effort for a freighter with cargo
obviously you would choose to to destroy a ship with better loot drops

This would kill any purpose of this timer tho :rofl: Do you really think gankers need this helping hand? :wink:

And this one:

Yes, being able to prevent other player from warping without consequences of active aggression is pretty bad in my book.

You used RL example so here you go: let’s say somebody prevents some other from leaving his house thus making him dyeing from hunger. And mechanically does it the way so law has nothing against it. Wouldn’t it be perfect example why law should be modified?

2 Likes

Considering it is status quo, it isn’t a helping hand.

Working as it should.

You missed the point of the example. It was to highlight the rare nature of this event. When it is common bumping is the potential consequence of being foolish and imprudent.

So…why should we give idiots a break in game?

If a person playing a video game sucks at risk management in the game how is that of any concern for the Devs?

You don’t have to respond really…I really don’t think you’ll take those questions head on. You’ll dodge, equivocate and wiggle around them.

what do you consider rare
i know a player who can destroy several freighters solo in highsec daily and they never take a loss
looking at their kb i can see they destroyed 53 freighters solo in highsec in the past 6 weeks and never lost a ship to concord or anyone else

Well… Having no similarities for other mechanics in the game makes me thing that this is not correct. For example you cannot prevent other guy from shooting without using offensive mods. Or i miss something?

I remember people discussing this and one of opinions was that letting ships flying through objects (stations, etc…) is not cool and making it proper so ships won’t bump into each other is too difficult for CCP.

I don’t need to “evade” or anything like that. It’s easy: you approve bumping just because it helps to kill “idiots”. It’s the only your base to defend this mechanics.

And i would say that killing “idiots” is not difficult. They are “idiots” after all. If you need support of especially kept bad game mechanics then you should consider getting better.

Personally i don’t believe that this 3 minute warp timer will do any harm to suicide ganking.

3 Likes

I assume you’re talking about me and my alt Lacie LaFleur. The freighters that I’m bumping are not done far extended periods of time.

It is also not ganking where a loss of ship from CONCORD is warranted. It is simply honorable combat via duel.

Sigh…

You usually post better than this…

Destroying freighter for profit is totally fine. I don’t care if 1, 10, 100, 1,000 die every day. Almost all of them are piloted by players who were, in a word, idiots.

These are players who overloaded their freighters. There might be 1 or 2 every now and then who are piloting an empty freighter. But for the most part these are freighter with a cargo value well north of 2 billion.

Do I worry about these players/freighters? No. They took a risk, it went bad and they should learn from it. Coming here and whining just makes me want to go help gank them because they are idiots.

I really don’t care when some boob who puts 5.4 billion ISK worth of cargo into his freighter gets ganked. He was foolish and imprudent. It is no more stupid than a moron going to Las Vegas and putting his life savings (and his families life savings) on red and hoping it will pay off. Both are fools who did something that they should not have done.

I hope this is clear.

I do not think people who are foolish and imprudent should be shielded from their foolish and imprudent behavior.

Okay, I see I’ll have to go the long road.

A freighter getting bumped is, almost surely, being piloted by a player who is foolish and imprudent. To save on words, lets just say, “an idiot.”

This player has put way too much cargo value into his cargo hold. He has done something dumb. Very dumb. Lets run through the list.

  1. More than 2 billion in cargo value: Check.
  2. Fitting cargo expanders vs. reinforced bulkheads: Check.
  3. Not using a scout (either an alt or a buddy): Check.
  4. Not using a webber: Check.

Now this dingle-berry finds himself getting bumped in Niarja or in Uedama and then loses his freighter and his cargo.

He is pissed and rants on the forums.

I contend this player is, again using the shorthand, an idiot.

He screwed up. Not once. Not twice. Not three times. But four times. If he had not screwed up on number 1 he could have probably skipped numbers 2-4 with little downside risk.

So, whining that this mechanic is being used to punish an idiot for taking on too much risk strikes me as well…not really getting what this game is about.

Further, removing bumping means we can’t bump titans, carriers, supers, or anything else. We can’t try and bump somebody trying to crash the gate. You’ll take out more content that you realize.

So I say to you, “■■■■ no.”

Your inability to respond to my question in a cogent manner is noted.

Why are you trying to defend idiots? Never mind you won’t answer because you can’t. You want to protect them. Let them get away with their foolishness and imprudence. We get it. You want to shield people from making bad decisions…even at the expense of the rest of the game.

Yes, we know you want to promote idiocy. You can stop posting now. We got the memo. :roll_eyes:

yeah thats what i figured was happening and yeah i was talking about that

i get what youre saying but those figures are coming from the idea that it costs gankers a certain amount to gank a ship therefore you shouldnt load your freighter with cargo worth more than the cost to gank because you make yourself a target for gankers

but if that cost is zero then any freighter carrying cargo is a viable target and falls into your imprudent category
thats the only point i was making

The cost of a gank is not zero.

To be clear, I don’t know what Faylee is doing…nor do I care really. If Faylee has come up with an innovative way to kill freighters and not incur a criminal timer and make a load of ISK, good for Faylee.

Not my problem.

Not your problem.

Not even clear it is CCPs problem not knowing the full story here.

im not saying its a problem im just saying your point of view is a bit outdated because the meta has changed

Only if ganking becomes costless, and it hasn’t. Faylee is clearly not ganking.

Again, not sure what Faylee is doing, but I don’t see the problem. Faylee is not ganking very many empty freighters. Faylee seems to be ganking freighter with some decent potential loot drops.

shes not suicide ganking you mean

1 Like

I’m highly offended. I am engaging in fair and honorable duels. How can it be a gank if they’ve even more willingly consented to honorable combat?

It’s literally right click on the freighter pilots name > Invite to duel. He clicks ok after reading the terms of our duel, then it’s game on.

hmmm lol

1 Like

Have you never dueled before? It literally displays all the warning that a person would ever need.

This is no new meta. This isn’t ganking. This isn’t something that really anyone other than me is going to seriously do. There are a few others that may try, but this is probably the most autistic thing I’ve done in eve. It’s pretty bad.

1 Like

well maybe but its still a good method of obtaining a lot of isk
im sure if more people figured out what you were doing then more would be doing it
i probably would do it if i neded the isk

I have no doubt that people see what I’m doing and want to try it, but when they fail to get a duel after 3 days of bumping and trying, they’ll give up. I have plenty of people mailing me daily asking how to do it and I always enlighten them. They’ll try for a day or two and give up.

It’s not that its hard, but you’re really selling a narrative. You’re creating an illusion of discomfort and helplessness and exploiting that. If you don’t play it right it just won’t work.

so you actually convince them to duel you
i figured you were just spamming them with chat invites and then throwing in a duel request when theyre expecting a chat invite