[ARC] Joined operation request to the Empires, EDENCOM and loyal capsuleers

I’ll refrain from further debate in such tones, but will not withdraw my offer also. After all, it is all up to ARC to prove if their words mean something.
The only thing I have to remind that Convocation called for any narodnya willing to prove their fitness, since not all of them are considered poshlost irredeemable by default.

I would not object were it not ARC organizing this. The only thing they have proven is their hostility and insincerity.

Ah, Ms. Malitia. You know what I like about your masters?

They don’t lie to us. They don’t spin. They just tell us how it’s going to be. They suit word to deed and vice-versa. They admire valor, even from an enemy, and they reward it. They don’t so much impose terms as realities. There’s a lot they don’t tell us, but they don’t lie. They are, always and forever, themselves.

Of course, they’re in that kind of position right now: they can dictate the terms by constructing the reality. No conventional diplomacy is necessary.

I wonder what they’d be like if we could strike into their domains as easily as they struck into ours. Maybe some day soon we’ll learn, yes?

For now at least, they seem to leave the lies and distortions to you, the charm-offensive propagandist sad about how Kybernauts aren’t received favorably in The Summit. As a loyal servant to one of the Amarr I can kind of relate, only–

… as one loyal servant to another, can I just point out that your masters almost certainly never asked you to handle their public image for them? Never asked you to justify their actions in our terms, however poor the fit? The Collective has its own particular ideas about fair play, and it sticks by them.

Why would you try to make them out to be, by our standards, conventionally “good” when they don’t remotely even begin to try to match anybody’s standards but their own?

I stand by the Amarr who favor the Pax Amarria even as a devout heathen because I sincerely believe it’s better to discuss faith and worldview with words than with pulse lasers and autocannon. Down that path I see hope for our species.

The alternative … well. You can see who’s been pushing the alternative lately.

As it happens, I agree with the EoM as to the likely outcome of that path. I just can’t agree that the vanishing of humanity from New Eden (or even the more-likely dark age) is a desirable outcome.

If you are a loyal servant, why would you provide your masters this service that they never asked for, and doesn’t match their methods or their culture? Are you trying to make them look like hypocrites? I mean … I kind of am one, a little. Most people kind of are. But it’s one thing I wouldn’t have accused the Triglavians of being.

Do you think you’re doing them favors by wriggling like a greased weasel?

Your masters, I expect, would have no problem with an incursion. If they felt it necessary to adjust their plans to account for it, they’d likely give it a proper welcome, thoughtfully calibrated-- and arrange a proper reward if the proving is won.

So what are you doing here, whining on behalf of masters who never, ever whine?

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Beautiful speech, but one that could be easily avoided with some basic reading comprehension.

That is all I have to say as a Kybernaut.

As an individual though, I have nothing but distaste for this operation. It is a pointless endeavor endangering the lives of ARC crew members and those of Pochven residents alike. Should ARC demonstrate the means they have to see their mission through, removing only those willing while avoiding all unnecessary loss of life on all sides, I will retract my objections.

Disclaimers aren’t worth a lot when you keep speaking for your masters anyway. I mean, just for example, there’s no standard under which that’s your population ARC’s hoping to help escape (or kidnap, maybe, depending on how far conditioning’s got).

I mean, I’m not actually going to hold you against the Collective. (I’ll hold the Collective against the Collective, but for other reasons.)

It’s pretty clear you don’t speak for the Collective, Ms. Malitia, even if you kind of try while claiming not to. But-- again, take it from a fellow minion-- what you say and do reflects on your masters.

I doubt your masters would like the light you cast them in.

If you’re lucky, they don’t notice or care. But I wonder what that says for your future, if that’s true.

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ARC did not. EM did.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Head Diplomat
Electus Matari

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I don’t think it’s ARC you’re thinking of.

ARC gave your lot the chance to prove that you didn’t completely disregard the lives of the people on the planets you were responsible for plunging into Abyssal hell. You took that chance that ARC so graciously provided you, a chance that many would not provide you, and the Triglavian supporters who accepted ARC’s invitation chose to throw that chance out the window, withdraw from the humanitarian mission, and use your staged fleet to begin assault on the new Invasion of Caslemon.

That lot of Triglavian bootlickers were the ones to prove not only their hostility to humanity, but their sheer lack of integrity. ARC had nothing to do with either the hit on the Triglavian structure in Vale or its mostly unopposed destruction. That was EM and PNS acting on our own volitions.

Here you try to slander ARC is half-truths and whole lies. But there’s few you’re fooling. You showed your dishonesty during the very same event you’re trying to use to smear ARC.

Arsia Elkin
Bad at Shutting Up
Electus Matari

PS - You lost Caslemon. You threw away that potential goodwill for nothing.

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Having read all the…pontificating, I can only say that ARC did try to negotiate with the Kybernauts, but they proved to be unwilling to provide satisfactory terms. We went into Vale, did our operation and left.

It was then others chose to remain and stage their own operations to which ARC had no knowledge of, nor were they sanctioned by our alliance.

So I highly advise next time accusations fly, this is remembered.

As for the timeliness of this operation, I can only apologize it hasn’t happened sooner.

Lasairiona Raske
Head Diplomat
Arataka Research Consortium

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Staged and deployed under an ARC operation. Don’t try to pretend this is supposed to mean something, the fact that ARC could not screen its volunteer forces for maniacs itching for a fight while on this supposed humanitarian, delicate operation speaks for themselves.

Oh, how fortunate that the head diplomat of ARC graces us with her presence. I suppose this means that we can expect a public disavowment and condemnation of what EM and affiliated forces did in Vale, then?

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Well, maybe next time you guys can show up to the operation you were invited to instead of trying to sneak off and take a system that happened to get invaded.

Then you could have tried and stopped us.

Arsia Elkin
Sick of Hypocritical Triglavian Supporters
Electus Matari

How are we meant to condemn what we didn’t condone in the first place?

This appears to be a ploy to detract from the matters at hand. I’m addition, your remarks seem to hold little merit with the volunteers for this operation. You may kindly take your vitriol elsewhere. I, for one, will not be tolerating it.

Have a marvellous day.

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We were not under ARC command. They could not have stopped us from coming and they could not have stopped us from shooting whatever we decided to.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Head Diplomat
Electus Matari

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What efforts will be taken to maintain public order in the event of being able to land on the planets ?

A previous report indicated martial law and firing with lethal intent on people rushing the spaceports was necessary to maintain order.

I highly doubt Gutter Press is a legitimate source of news, however hysterical it may be.

Failure to disavow noted, Head Diplomat.

Legitimate source or not, the concern is very legitimate. I am noting that while you were quite willing to clarify that ARC forces did not attack that structure in Vale, you don’t seem very concerned with the accusations of intending to involuntarily remove people from Pochven.

It’s kind of funny in that sad sort of way when the Triglavians conduct an unprovoked armed invasion of CONCORD signatories and the Zorya lackeys decry the hostility of those that support said signatories.

As far as I remember, Triglav brought warships not peace to New Eden.

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I wouldn’t have called the subject matter of that report hysterical.

As for legitimacy, as I understood it, the GP reporter was actually on the ground at the time.

Criminal capsuleers claiming peaceful legitimacy on behalf of those not interested in it? I cannot help but feel I have seen this holo before.

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Be it plausable deniability or not, you do know that this type of assortment does not bring “control” with it.

We may know how public gatherings starts, but not how it ends.

And in an area where a lot of people show up to fight, have it happen at the same time as a rescue operation does not necessarily mean support.

Omission perhaps.

Well, last I checked I am a psychopath murdering criminal without much interest in legitimacy or peaceful accord.

I do not enjoy hypocrisy or disingenuous banter either so I do not say, as a Gurista, that hostility on the part of those I harm is not earned by all rights.

I can take responsibility for my actions and those whom I support.

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