So the abominations get to decide what you can and what you can’t carry in your cargohold? Are you just going to sit on your hands while these killing machines blow up innocent ships?
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These freaks shouldn’t even exist! They’re twisted mutants who show no form of emotion or empathy with humanity. They simply wear the skin of another human and defile everything natural about their bodies. These monsters have no good intentions, what ever it is their doing scanning gates and ships…
Scanning ships…gaining valuable Intel on their inner workings. Building databases on the modules of each one they scan and calculating the best way to remove it when the time comes.
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By that standard CODE is a much larger threat. Why do you not oppose them as vehemently as you oppose the drifters. And let’s not forget that both concord and the empires do the same thing. It used to be drugs, and slaves are illegal in one or two empires.
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Concord are dealing with CODE and as long as the laws are as they are it’s hard to do more about it than what Concord is already doing. But doesn’t seem like Concord has the balls to purge the Drifters.
I disagreed with their ban on drugs, but I am glad that they lifted it. However nothing good would come from waging war against the Empires who actually owns the space. The Drifters on the other hand can still be stopped and should be countered before they amass too much power. They are not human and do not deserve mercy.
Slaves? Really? Are you comparing this with slavery? It’s already quite rediculous that capsuleers can freely purchase slaves. Just take a look at that Nauplius scum. It should have been banned from all Empires and the markets.
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Simply used slaves as an example. You say they can’t choose what people can have in their cargo and then empires do just that with slaves. The only difference is that slaves are alive and worth something by being human and bodies are simply biomass that us capsuleers couldn’t care less about, we literally kill ourselves when we move from one clone to another and reuse the desd biomass for a new body. I agree that we should end slavery, don’t mistake my example as a promotion of it. And concord only deal with CODE after the fact and don’t give the victims the option of fighting back. At least the drifter had that option, even though I now hesr reports of them ceasing fire at the end.
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The CODE. Despite their methods are necessary in this cluster.
CODE. is not a threat to humanity, to Capsuleers they are. That’s who they aim for. Frankly they’re a force that keeps the markers moving. If they wern’t going around gunning down barges or Freighters i imagine it be a lot slower experience trying to sell one…Not to mention the ships they utilize.
What do the Drifters do? Looking at the Amarr they’ve done far more than just pop a few Capsuleers for poking them. They’ve placed Amarrian regions under incursion-level raids and assassinated their beloved leader right in front of their navy’s HQ.
CODE. isn’t a force that’s a threat to any empire. The Drifters have taken bold steps in proving what they can do to arguably the most powerful Empire in this cluster. Did it like it was nothing either.
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And yet, concord didn’t shoot at them. They didnt shoot because they were unprovoked. It could be said that the amarr should all be killed for their crimes against humanity, and though I don’t like the amarr in the slightest, I would never say kill them all or slaughter them unprovoked
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Well
This sentence exists.
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And don’t forget the trillions of normal people that die to CODE. You say baseliners aren’t affected but everything above a frigate must have a crew and even the best gallente ship can’t be fully automatic
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I say it could be said, as in it has been said by others, not me
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But you are saying that if provoked - Sure kill them all, No?
Not “Let’s defeat this governing body going with these horrific polices and actions against the rest of the cluster” but “Kill them all or slaughter them” if it comes to that.
Now, Of course genocide wouldn’t be your first option should action be “provoked” against the Amarr Empire. But you’re saying is that the option is on the table if it comes to that extreme.
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Why in the name of the spirits are so many people determined that the Drifters are “harmless bystanders”?
Name one good thing they’ve done. Seriously. Name a single reason we shouldn’t see them as a threat?
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What I meant was not attack unless provoked. Like there’s a ship, ibleave it alone and it leaves me alone, like serpentis, but the moment I’m attacked, then I attack right back. Killing all of them is never on the table, genocide is not okay
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It is impossible to temper the controversy revolving around the Drifter threat and their neutralization therein. The goal post for objective evidence and information will forever be moved back because there is not a satisfactory answer for those who sympathize with them. It is not worth the time and effort attempting to dissuade the sympathizers who would not hear even the basest evidence provided, hand-waving it away and asking for more evidence than necessary.
What matters now is that the Drifter threat exists, and we cannot change the past. Whether or not the capsuleer impact on Anoikis is the root cause is ultimately a moot point, because Drifters do not engage in diplomacy and we may never work to resolve those past grievances. Simply “not shooting them” is not the answer, because they have shown demonstrable hostility - however inconsistent. A cursory look at the ship losses at any ‘killboard’ will show that they will indiscriminately kill if provoked, but we never know what may provoke them as that criteria is always changing. It could be use of “their” technology, it could be meandering too close to the wrong wormhole, etc. We do not know. Even still, none of it explains the continual assault on Empire Fleets, or the assassination of Jamyl.
Today, before we even started firing, we witnessed non-combat capable ships being destroyed by the Drifters. We do not know why, but we have several theories. To that, we can suggest to every passing capsuleer that frequents stargates (I.E: all of them) that they may have something in their ship that could provoke the Drifters. Or that capsuleers should take heed in their movements as to not accidentally provoke Drifters who have laid claim to territory despite being in empire sovereignty. The problem is that they are inconsistent, and the criteria for provoking them is seemingly always subject to change.
Alternatively, we can continue to neutralize them before they become a threat. Which is the option we have chosen. Since the dawn of humanity, farmers have protected their flock from predators. They do not wait until the predator kills the animal in that instance, they kill them as a precautionary measure, knowing that they are capable of it.
I do not see much controversy revolving that.
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Have they done anything good? Objectively no, but that’s from our point of view. What if the knowledge they hold is the difference. I could ask what good the Amarr have done, because from the point of view of a minmatar, they have done nothing but bad, save for taking out sansha kuvekei with the rest of the cluster. The point is each situation needs to be taken on a case by case basis. Because if you truly piss off the drifters, we may not be able to stop them. You can’t just kill every fleet you find. Nobody is currently at war with them so the empires don’t really care. Are they innocent? No, but if you continue on this path you could bring something much worse down on our heads
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Regarding the aggressive stance on the Drifter fleets, I feel it is justified, as the last time they gathered in fleets, they ended up attacking the Amarr Empire regions & hardly anyone is looking for a repeat of that, either in Amarr Space or anywhere else.
If we could communicate with the Drifters in any way that didn’t involve firing weapons, it would greatly help with understanding each other. Alas, Drifters aren’t prone to communicate with us, outside the Hilen Tukoss attempt & that was not even a friendly communication method on their end.
With that said, Aurora News has published an article on the latest Drifter fleet sighting:
Large Drifter fleet sighted in Caldari space!
Also an image of the Drifter fleet itself, scanning Freighters as they pass by:
Now with that said, I like to make a suggestion for the next time a Drifter fleet is encountered. So far, the Drifters have given up twice after heavy losses.
Perhaps if they repeat this behaviour again at a possible next encounter, we could cease fire as well & see if they’re more willing to communicate then? Or just simply observe if they do anything out the ordinary from then on in the hope we can learn more on why they come to our space with fleets of heavily damaged battleships?
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Name one good thing they’ve done.
Killed the Empress.
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You know, you could say this about several capsuleers too…
Because you’re making a strawman. Very few consider them “harmless bystanders” that I’ve noted, just that the immediate gut response of “kill them all whenever you see them” is overblown. Empires (besides Amarr) and CONCORD aren’t attacking them on sight, nor asking us to - so why should we?
This works both ways. Many Drifter exterminators can barely give a better explanation for their actions than “well they’re dangerous and ugly and I don’t like them.” Ironically only people who have some semblance of a good reason are the various Amarrian capsuleers for reasons very well known.
See, this is why I like you. You have good ideas.
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Do not misrepresent me with your patent twisting of words.
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Well you likened yourself to a farmer, not me babe, but that’s beside the point really. Maybe I should edit it out then so we don’t get hung up on this one little thing then.
Edit: aaand done.
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