Asset safety and the ability to go on hiatus

Council Of Stellar Management Assembly Hall
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Hey hi. tl;dr: can we not do asset safety fees

I have a titan, maybe four supercarriers… and just a bunch of other stuff. Dreads, FAXes. I have 60 billion-ish liquid, but I’m not sure if that would cover asset safety fees. I think you can say I’m one of your solid, subscription-paying customers. But for the last six months I’ve needed to go afk.

I don’t even know what supercapital values are doing, either, and I guess asset safety just gets more expensive as we go, but that’s not why I’m making this post.

What I’m wondering is… why can’t I treat EVE like a video game, and take care of my personal life without the possiblity of being penalized 20% of all my asset values? Which currently would probably be an eye watering amount.

I can’t afford to guarantee that I can carve out enough time to watch everything. Yes, sure, move stuff to lowsec, etc etc. But sometimes I just don’t have that kind of time and I don’t have enough notice to do all that planning.

To be very very honest with you, I feel like we’ve failed to set appropriate boundaries with CCP. I say this out of love: I pay my subs. I want CCP to remember they’re a video game. We should be able to step away from this modern day version of a board game without getting all our progress wiped.

I have five of my ten subs still running and training. I’m doing my part, but could I even afford to come back?

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Just prepare your hiatus well.

While asset safety to a remote system is 15%, asset safety to a station within the same system is only 0.5%.

Park those assets in a Keepstar in an asset safety system with an NPC station and it’s pretty much free to get those assets back later.

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We should just get rid of Upwell structures and return conquerable Outposts again. No asset safety needed, no annoying asset safety stations (the entire South East is royally shafted compared to other areas because there are ONLY absolutely dog-crap stations available for Asset Safety), no “preparations for hiatuses” needed, no tethering, no stupid timer mechanics with auto-repairs. Just a better game all around.

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Yes please remove asset safety.
Not only would it neatly eliminate all the frustration of players who had the audacity to be human for a while and step away from the game, but it would also finally get rid of this magical mechanic that feels oddly out of place in a so-called hardcore sandbox.

Because why should someone who parks a titan in a Keepstar like it’s a rest stop expect it to still be there after deciding to deal with real life? EVE is supposed to be about consequences, not a storage locker you can abandon indefinitely just because you’re moving, studying, raising a kid, or — heaven forbid — taking a break.

And if someone doesn’t manage to relocate their supercarriers to lowsec in time? Oh well. Maybe next time they’ll learn to plan better. EVE isn’t for the faint of heart. You’re either here, or you’re not. And if you’re not — bye. No safety nets.

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tl;dr: this is the med clone problem but 100x worse.

Hey. yeah, I just want to reiterate that sometimes I just don’t have enough warning to play a video game. It’s just “IRL.” If your suggestion sounds anything like “play harder,” that’s exactly my point. Sometimes we can’t.

I’m going to put some $$ USD $$ figures on this. EVE is famous for real-world monetary values in its battles. Now here’s what they tax players for needing to be a human being. Preface: I am very amused and proud when EVE comes up in conversations. I love that I have this longevity with this game, and the characters and assets to show for it.

I’ve trained 2.5 Billion SP on ten characters over 16 years. By rough napkin math that’s $20,000 USD in subscriptions. I also remember “buying back in” with north of $2,000 USD for PLEX at the start of the covid war in Delve.

It was absolutely worth it to totally win against the galaxy, which we did. Thank you. And I’m not afraid of loss or cost.

But now, if I needed to pull my ships out of asset safety, for just the supercarrier (and bigger) HULLS alone, I would need to pay 120 Billion ISK at least. If I were to buy that from CCP in PLEX, it would be a 20,000 PLEX pack that costs $650.00

Six Hundred Fifty Dollars. As a tax for needing to just be normal for once.

People say things about games like Star Citizen, and maybe monetizing too hard. But EVE wants to charge me Six Hundred and Fifty Dollars in game credits just to have access to my stuff

I want CCP to seriously consider, on their way to work this week… what they want a player to be like. Is it someone like me? And then think about how you’d feel if you had to spend $650.00 in a video game for… access to what you already earned.

I like that this is an issue, because it’s EVE. But CCP for real.

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Sounds to me like it’s a pretty good deal that you can get 800 billion ISK of assets back for a small price of 120 billion ISK.

It’s much better than coming back to the game and realizing that your 800 billion ISK of assets are gone and have been looted in a wormhole system or abandoned structure!

Now if you had prepared your possible hiatus well you could have stored those items in an asset safety station within the same system, for a mere 0.5% cost, or 4 billion ISK.

4 billion ISK to recover 800 billion is pretty much free!

I do realize that sometimes life happens and sometimes it’s more important to drop the game and deal with real life than to care about the possible 120 billion ISK you have to pay to get your assets back in a game, but that’s a choice you made.

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I really do love you, CCP and I know you love me. But we need counseling.

Do you remember back in the day when we were just lovers

Permaband - HTFU

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HTFU sounds like a good idea in this case!

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Asset Safety was one of the most stupid ideas CCP ever had. It’s one nail in the coffin of stagnation the game currently experienes.

Pro Tip for the OP: Sell the supercaps. Bring everything else to an NPC station. Deal done. Can all be done within a single day. And if you don’t want that effort, you can simply right-click and “trash” most of it, you don’t seem to love it that much anyway.

PS: The game is more enjoyable with a lighter package. Try it out, nobody needs a Titan and four Supercarriers to have fun, especially if he doesn’t plan to play hardcore alliance warfare pretty actively, which you obviously do not.

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It is not that simple, in particular with Upwell structures, as they do not allow for remote asset trashing. Another of these super annoying Upwell bugs.

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Eject into space should work :stuck_out_tongue:, and if not: take a shuttle and fly there, can’t be that hard.

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lol you don’t get to tell your customers to pay you Six Hundred Fifty Dollars just because HTFU.

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yeah. so I’ve thought about it. I’m probably going to sell the assets and go liquid.

The bad news: these characters are fully trained. I literally can’t train anything else for them to pilot their subcaps, or capitals.

I wish eveboard still worked, because then I could show you.

But without the ships to move around, I have no reason to be subbed. So yeah. Assets are being sold, I’m going inactive, and subs are inactive.

//accusing me of not showing up for alliance warfare is a kick in the teeth. That’s the main reason I’d want to hang on to these assets. I’m maybe not active, but I will absolutely go full unhealthy mode for existential threats.

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sweet. let’s just do two characters. this one, and one of the cap characters. maybe two

//character sheets removed. One of them is ranked 30th highest skill points on Quantum Anomaly. And 36th for number of level 5 skills. It was 15th or so back on Chribba’s eveboard. but anyway

the endgame is… just end your subscriptions, I guess. Put them on ice.

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Can I have one char from you?

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Not to say you have a point… but I’ve always looked at items in null space as either I write them off, or sell them if they are left behind. Pretty much an unspoken rule. (Now it includes making sure your items are in a non destroyable station) Pretty sure I left some for sale that must have expired that showed up in asset safety, I just trashed it. BUT before I left 10+ years ago, I picked up my favorite toys and put them away in low/hi sec. I did loose a large named POS (lost around 2 bil isk) because I couldn’t be bothered to go offline/unanchor and put it away, but that is on me. As the game does not revolve around any singular player, there are mechanics in place that affect everyone, good or bad. Need to plan the exit a bit better… especially knowing what the mechanics of the game are.

There are options…
-Join the alliance holding sov in that area.
-Sell the toon associated with those accounts and build new ones.
-Sell the ships after you pull them from asset safety.

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hey thank you very much for being civil and writing to me like a human being.

I am still a member of my alliance and I’ve had to check in periodically. It was enough to do a couple important things… but otherwise, I literally just walked away and left everything as it was.

I didn’t have to? but the game didn’t even cross my mind and just basically Sometimes IRL.

I’m about to solve my issue but I just don’t know. If they want to make sure no one abuses the asset safety mechanic, then yeah that sounds like a game designer’s job. But I’m getting caught up by it in a way that doesn’t feel right for a video game.

This just reallllly feels like the old medical clone fees. As I started getting a bit up there in SP, getting podded kind of hurt the wallet a bit much. I don’t recall what their reasons were for removing med clone fees, but if it’s just for a vague sentiment that EVE should be hard… that’s just too much, even when I’m active.

Also, that fee is between us and CCP. Not other players. So yeah.

I came back for the war in 2020, and I never stopped to consider asset safety. Buuuut it pretty much means I’m only going to come back for existential crises. I really love my ships. But I’m kind of being forced into this.

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It turns out I left seven omegas running since November, and some of them are / were 12 month. So ya know… CCP, I’ve already been paying you. But asset safety tax means I have to be committed like it’s a job, or completely dormant.

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move your stuff into a NPC station.

thats the dangers of being in null or having a player made structure anywhere but a wormhole. the structure goes boom, you keep your stuff but it gets moved, on your dime. wormholers however, don’t have that option of asset safety..

You’re not the first one to come at CCP over this, especially after they created the piñatas if there is no fuel, they go abandoned and if destroyed, loot drops like in wormholes.

look at it this way, Asset Safety is your fee to CCP to move the stuff you obtained.