In some cases it’s upwards of 20 characters to gank them.
Read the first 3 words.
Now, you did in fact write that 6 is all that’s needed. Here, I’ll quote you too:
To gank a freighter, you need 6.
This is not a true statement. There are lots of examples where 6 is insufficient by a long way, and where to gank a Mach is much less than the requirement to gank a freighter. It’s not absolute in any of the cases. Depends on how the freighter is tanked.
A well tanked freighter is far harder to gank than a bump Macharial, but a poorly tanked one is about the same. In all cases, the bump Mach is just as engageable as any freighter is and it takes fewer ships to gank a bump Mach.
Yes, that is what I wrote. Supplemented with an example of a freighter where 6 is more than you need. Since all freighters with 3 cargo expanders have the same or even lower EHP than the example, 6 is all you need to gank those. Not to mention that some even fit nanofibers, which reduce EHP even more, which means that competent gankers need even fewer pilots. Incompetent gankers, on the other hand, need way more pilots than 6, that’s a given.
While this is true, you do not need 20 pilots to gank a tanked freighter. With the only exception when someone reparis it, but that’s proper counterplay used against ganking and should result in more necessary effort by gankers.
In the same post. Click on the Up Arrow and look at the links. I provided the examples in my post. I am not going to do your work when you just need to scroll up.
Furthermore, I also did not say you need 6 to gank a tanked freighter. I said you need 6 to gank a sufficiently prepared freighter. And no more than 11 to gank a tanked freighter. Please stop distorting my posts so that they suit your narrative.
Then maybe you should burst your bubble and read what I wrote and linked in my long post. You will not find me saying you need 6 to gank a tanked freighter. If you cannot shake of the web of lies that you wove yourself, I cannot help you.
Of course not. I linked a kill where 6 pilots killed a sufficiently prepared freighter, just as I said, and I linked a kill where 11 pilots killed a fully tanked freighter, just as I said to disprove your claim you need “massive fleets” or more than 20 pilots. Never have I said you need 6 to gank a tanked freighter.
I’m not sure where you get this hate-bone for suicide ganking, but the numbers are well-known and public:
Recently, ganks take between 10-33 characters with the median somwhere around 20-25. And that ignores the support characters that don’t show up on killmails.
No matter how you slice it, that is a huge amount of effort to go to attack an industrial ship. I see no reason why that number should be made higher by forcing gankers to use high-alpha ships and tags. Typically only a handful of these EHP monsters die each day as it is.
If perma-bumping is really an issue then there are ways to add costs or more effort to bumping that will still allow a criminal fleet to operate, but limit these apocryphal hours-long bumping sessions. However, I really am not convinced that it is an issue of any relevance or importance.
I am sure though that giving freighters a get-out-of-PvP button as proposed in the OP isn’t a good idea. They are safe enough as it is.
This number is total bogus. CODE inflates the numbers by using way more characters than necessary to gank a freighter. I have shown this as well in my post. Of course they do this inflation so that arguments like your’s work. The killboard clearly shows, however, that you do not need that many characters to gank a freighter.
They show you claiming you could provide a link to a gank of a fully tanked freighter that was killed by 6 gankers. Yet the killmail linked doesn’t contain that at all.
No, it does not show that. It shows that I never said something about that you need 6 pilots to gank a freighter and that I only said you need much fewer people than the 20 that you claim.
May I suggest that you stop ridiculing yourself? You have already succeeded in swamping my long and elaborate posts out of view from most people who will ever read this thread with your spam. You achieved your goal, haven’t you?
