Black Ops Jump Navigation Window and Sphere in Map

Has something changed with the black ops jump navigation window/map sphere thing?
So here for example i have two systems from which the other is within range according to jump navigation window and the other isn’t though the sphere doesn’t cover neither?

I don’t remember this being like this… Am i missing something or what? Can’t get answer from Eve-Discord or other communities, nobody seems to know the answer :confused:

The ingame map features are bad and inaccurate. I bet this has to do with the 3d view of the map.

The best thing is not to use the ingame map for anything else but some very few data filters (like pilots in space or ships destroyed). For other things, and navigation in particular, I strongly recommend to use Dotlan. It tells you exactly and without any doubt if something is in range for jumping.

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This is what i thought yeah… Thank you for input! It’s so weird for me that this isn’t fixed or anything. :confused:

So go off of what your right-click on the capacitor allows.

The jump sphere in the map has always been accurate for me and I use it pretty often.

Are you using the ‘abstract’ flattened version of the ingame map? I’m not sure if the sphere is accurate in the flat representation.

The biggest problem with the sphere is that you need to check from multiple angles to see if the destination is actually within the sphere and not just behind it.

Example, Bukah and Sazre appear within jump range when seen from above:
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Sazre is not in jump range when seen from the side:
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Also, is that the ‘within range’ tab of the jump navigation that you have open?
And not the ‘jump to’ tab?

The ‘jump to’ tab also shows systems that aren’t in range.

Could you check ranges again with the Range planner in dotlan?

I wonder if the error is on the side of the jump sphere or if it’s the jump navigation window that’s wrong.

I tried both map styles and different camera angles.
I think from this we can see everything…

My current location: Mastakomon
Jump Navigation window shows Within Range: 4-HWWF
Jump Navigation window doesn’t show Within Range: Messoya
In-game map sphere is clearly not covering neither solar system (Abstract & Normal)
Dotlan Jump Range: 4-HWWF - Mastakomon is not in the list
Dotlan Jump Range: Messoya - Mastakomon is not in the list

Left left map picture = Abstract map layout
Left right map picture = Regular map layout
Middle dotlan from 4-HWWF and Messoya
Right is just a wider picture showing my location Mastakomon, with Messoya on the east


I have not tried actually jumping from Mastakomon to 4-HWWF just to see if it’s possible. If it is though, then that would be cheating! haha

Mastakomon to Messoya is 7.74 LY according to Dotlan.
Mastakomon to 4-HWWF is 6.43 LY.

Jumping from either destination to Mastakomon is not possible and won’t show up in the jump navigation or dotlan, because Mastakomon is HS.

I guess your Jump Drive Calibration skill is not 5 yet?
With level 3 you can jump to neither.
With level 4 your blops can jump to 4-H but not to Messoya.
With level 5 you can jump to both.

What is the Jump Drive Calibration level of that character and which ship are you in?

I suspect that if something is wrong with the ingame jump sphere maybe it’s showing you a range on a character with too low skills.

I guess your Jump Drive Calibration skill is not 5 yet?
With level 3 you can jump to neither.
With level 4 your blops can jump to 4-H but not to Messoya.
With level 5 you can jump to both.

Oh yeah you’re correct actually. My Jump Drive Calibration skill is at level 4, though, this still doesn’t explain the sphere. The Jump Navigation window seems to be correct. So the sphere in in-game map isn’t accurate. :thinking: Character i was looking at this was flying Redeemer with level 4 skills.

Strange.

Have you tried exiting the Redeemer and entering it again?

Could it be that your Jump Drive Calibration skill was lower the moment you entered the ship and that your skill gains have yet to be taken into account by the ship (and the sphere)?

Didn’t have any effect unfortunately. It seems the sphere is just not accurate for what we’ve gathered from this… I’m checking later with other systems since not at Mastakomon anymore.

Appreciate the help! :slight_smile: Thank you.

I still it’s strange the sphere isn’t accurate for you.

Because it’s very accurate for me.

I just checked again with some systems that are supposed to be just on the edge outside and inside of the bubble for me. What the bubble tells me and what Dotlan tells me is exactly the same.

From K7D-II my range is Range: K7D-II - DOTLAN :: EveMaps

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Goudiyah is at 7.955 LY, jumpable.
Baratar at 7.826 LY, jumpable.
Ashkoo not jumpable.
Amafi not jumpable.
Ham is 7.348 LY, jumpable.

That’s exactly what I would expect based on the sphere in the picture.

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(The latest example is very clear)

This is so weird. I’m now trying again from the system of Onnamon. I have no skill training related things active, i’ve changed clone, logged in/off, disembarked and boarded ship.
The sphere clearly doesn’t cover the target system, but it is very close though… With the earlier example with 4-HWWF the sphere was way further from the system.

Ship: Redeemer
Skill level: 4
Max jump range: 7.2 ly
My location: Onnamon
Target location: Dantumi

Jump Navigation window in-game
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Dotlan


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In-game map & sphere


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For another example, after rolling the camera for a good time and rotating angels, i’m pretty confident in saying that the following two systems are clearly within the sphere. Though they are close to the edge, but definitely inside.
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This one is very clearly inside the sphere, but not in the list of within range systems. Pictures taken from both sides and from the top. Not in the Dotlan list of in range systems neither.
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Is your sphere even a sphere?

So if I get this correct, from Onnamon as center it’s not reaching Dantumi (3.9 LY), but it does visually include both Tartoken (7.5 LY) and Saranen (7.9 LY)?

If I take a picture of the map I get:

Circle that barely includes Tartoken and Saranen on the top left and just excludes Dantumi on the right:

It doesn’t look like Onnamon (small yellow circle) is the center of your sphere? How does it look in your map?
It feels like Kinakka is more the center of your sphere, but even that is slightly closer to Dantumi than to Tartoken and Saranen.

Sorry for late answer!
This is how my map looks like zoomed out showing the whole sphere.


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And here is my last messages latest example, the solar system of Arderonne. According to Dotlan & in-game Jump Navigation Window the system isn’t within jump range. Looking at the in-game map & sphere, as you can see, it definitely is within.
Picture 1: From top to down camera view.
Picture 2:From side to side camera view.


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And here is Dantumi for one more time.
According to in-game Jump Navigation Window & Dotlan, Dantumi indeed is within jump range, but the in-game map & sphere pretty clearly to me show the sphere not covering Dantumi. You can even see the gap clearly between the system and the sphere here:
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