Sure, its not none, but for the most part you aren’t going to find them just aimlessly testing content in order to maximize your ISK income, proper testing requires static variables so you can spot the variance caused by the bug, constantly tweaking said build means you’re less likely to notice issues
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that is the trade off for testing though. I play your game and if i find a bug i report it. The exchange here, is my time (which isn’t free btw) for your bugs. By your logic beta testers shouldn’t exist
see above, this is the trade off, my time for your bugs. We both benefit
Do you think beta testers for every game have their memory wiped after the testing is done? I can see it now:
“Hey remember when you beta tested GTA 5” - Thomas Everyman
“No Thomas…I don’t actually” - Former GTA 5 Beta Tester
I mostly agree here. Once my structure is actually up, then fair game but be realistic.
I’m corp A, I’ve saved up enough money for a Athanor with some rigs, I know full well that anywhere i put it up it could go poof the next day. I am fully prepared to get wardecced . I know if i can’t defended it i shouldn’t have one up. Can I at least try to launch this thing as a test first? were talking about billions of dollars here.
If that corp launches that sucker live the first time and does it wrong, even after studying and it gets blown up before they can even blink. Well, that maybe it for most corps and as funny as that is for you it’s bad for the game.
I understand that they closed the server because of leaks/exploits,gaming the system etc. However can I get an hour a month per corp though? 3 logins per month total per corp? Can i get 5 mins, a bread crumb, a piece of dust lol . Something!
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Isn’t that what everyone wants? More ISK = more ships to fly and risks to be taken.
I’m unsure why you think you’re the “expert” on this subject.
Testing is the foundation of science.
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LOL… I don’t think they’re the giving kind, just like their core player base.
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None of that was happening.
No they should exist, its called a QA team, anything else is voluntary, and when you volunteer you expect nothing in return, nobody is forcing you to join mass tests, its 100% voluntary so you’re choosing to donate that time
Except CCP doesn’t benefit in a solid 90% (likely higher) of scenarios and infact only stands to lose out because of you gaining that knowledge without risk
Like, i get you’re trying to justify why you should be given free access to test things without risk, because it benefits you, but just be honest about it because we both know the real reasons the majority of people were on SISI in the first place
Nope, but in most cases they can’t then immediately use that information to benefit themselves, and these days most “beta tests” are actually just early access rather than being true beta tests
But why though? your only justification here is that its a risk you don’t want to take, which only serves to prove why its a bad idea to just let people test stuff freely, the entire game revolves around risk and reward
Except its not, its content, and the majority of content in this game comes from people making mistakes, thats just part of the DNA of EVE
So you think that letting people game the system is ok because it leads to people generating even more risk free ISK?
See where did i claim to be an exert? i’m pointing out the extremely obvious negatives, anyone spending more than 30 seconds thinking about it can see the issues with such a system and its been known that SISI has been a problem when it comes to information gathering since the early days, why do you think SISI had to do things like re-randomize moon mineral distributions and that certain things have to be removed when each mirror was made in order to prevent people from using it as a way to scout their enemies without them knowing or being able to respond?
And how do you think we learned those lessons?
It is, but you’re not doing science in this regard, you’re getting free information for no risk, you’re free to conduct scientific experiments on TQ, the issue is you are risk averse and don’t want to risk things you’ve earned in the pursuit of science, real science requires investment and the risks of losing said investment
They tried that, no on showed up.
What are you smoking, brother?
You’re mistaken. Most people I know are “bug hunting” on SiSi.
So, losing something due to a bug is ok?
You’ve got a real chip on your shoulder. Who hurt you?
Wow, CCP saw a problem and fixed it. How is that a reason now? (It isn’t).
Are you daft?
Scientists don’t wear protective gear and test things in an uncontrolled environment?
You’re just trolling.
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I used to hop on the test server during mass testing all the time. Id even use it to test out possible fit ideas with corp mates full force without worrying about the isk risk before using them on the actual server. It was a very helpful tool to have.
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Let’s break that down.
- During Mass tests. 2-4 times a year.
- All the time. 2-4 times a year.
Got it. You used the Test Server 2-4 times a year.
I used it a lot more than 2-4 times a year lol
No kidding? That’s why it was removed.
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Another simp alt?
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Singularity ain’t coming back. Sorry to disappoint those of you may have been pinning your hopes on that, but I just don’t see it happening. There was to much abuse, exploitation and theory-crafting taking place.
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Except according to CCP, not enough were. It’s one of the reasons why it was closed. Most people were using it to see what dropped from Player structures, and to test fits in risk free environments. CCP has stated that they want these things to happen on TQ, not Singularity.
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You tell em Malak.
Citation?
People have been posting about wanting it back ever since, and I doubt many have actually applied for ISD bug hunting.
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I read all of that when it came out. Nothing you mentioned is in those articles.
You do know the old saying about opinions, don’t you?
Seems you are here
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Absolutely nothing, but the server thrives on people learning as they go, if you already know how to min-max everything as soon as it releases thats not how the game is intended to be played nor how its intended to function in terms of risk and reward
I get that you don’t seem to think that knowledge has any value, and thats ok, you’re allowed to think whatever you like, but that won’t change the reality
Oh they aren’t, you’re free to keep telling yourself that though, CCP have the metrics and they know that the majority of people using SISI were not using it for finding bugs
If it happens it happens, i lost ships on my first day due to bugs, i’m still here over 20 years later, if you’re that risk averse maybe EVE is not the game for you, and thats fine, it doesn’t suit every player 
Nobody, i appreciate you don’t seem to grasp the effect gaming the system can have, it does require you to be able to look at the bigger picture, which isn’t easy
Yes and it was very much a problem, because information was gained without risk, the same as you gaining information running PvE without risk, the same as you min-maxing PvP fits or fleet doctrine fits without having to risk anything
So yes, CCP fixed the problem, by restricting access to SISI
In this case your ship is your protective gear, and you think no scientists are ever hurt during experiments or that money isn’t wasted when experiments fail?
The Demon Core
The 1999 mars lander that crashed
2 examples right off the top of my head, and there are many, many, many more
They still take risks, more risks than you are willing to take when it comes to internet pixels lol
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