You’re raging because people were NOT stupid?
If you didn’t practice these things on sisi, you have only yourself to blame that they are better than you, Karen.
Mr Epeen 
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Like the military going to a gun range?
The key phrase in that sentence is, “chose not to.”
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CCP needs the test server, WE don’t
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To survive, humans need food, water, air, and shelter.
Just saying…
And the relevance of that is?
This has literally nothing to do with human survival
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Hypernet can be disabled on an account level for such a thing
The problem is that by limiting SiSi to VIP’s it’s just going to be abused. People will chat up and elicit leaks from CSM members then they’ll use their ISD toonies to be a beater and then document everything. Then they’ll pass everything along to R and he’ll just make up an excuse like they saw info on Hobo Leaks and were working with Arataka Research Consortium when in fact they used insider info.
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Crowdsourced testing is a thing.
The more people running it through the hoops the better.
Common sense used to be more common…
Right, except most people weren’t using SISI to actually find and report bugs, they were using it as a risk free playground to test things so they didn’t have to risk anything on TQ
So now CCP limits it to mass testing for things they actually want tested instead of it just being a risk free sandbox
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That’s such a limited view. Nothing had value and it couldn’t be transferred to Tranquility.
Perhaps, but a lot of us were.
I wanted to test a jump freighter as I had never flown one before. I did many moons ago on the test server
This time I wanted to try anchoring something (to see mechanics etc) and the test server said “piss off ingrate you have no power here”
I’m not about to practice this in a live server due to the cost. So thanks for taking that away from us. (You’ll spend more in game then!) Get wrecked.
It would be nice to bring it back, give every non npc corp older then 6 months x hours a month to test in it. (Very easy to implement, enforce at corp level on CCP side).
I’d be happy with even 1 hour a month to test stuff out.
My .02
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Respectfully, soooooo the exact point of a test server then? Got it 
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Didn’t vote because I figure they won’t bring it back, but I think they took it offline as a money-saving and dev-time saving measure.
They might bring it back if the player count increases back to 2012 levels.
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Incorrect, information has a great deal of value, being able to min-max ship fittings without risk is a huge value, being able to train fleets for zero cost is valuable
Its not only items that hold value in EVE, information is the single most valuable resource we have
No, a great number of you were not, there was a small minority of people who actually tested things for bugs
Nope, the point of the test server is to find and report bugs, not to go run abyssal content for free while you try to min-max ship fittings without risk, to map out missions or content or practice PvP fits etc
But that is what the majority of people were using it for
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Guess how a lot of edge case bugs are found?
in this process, bugs are discovered. Just put a time limit on it (x hours a month per corp) to use test server.
It’s a balance in the end right? Allow players to test but not test endlessly so they can find workarounds/game the system.
I don’t disagree that testing time cannot be endless but soooome testing time should be allowed IMO.
I anchored some structures on the test server when I first was able to have the skills to and thank god I was on the test server because reading all about the mechanics is helpful but not the same as actually doing it, and if you think I’m going to chance it with almost 3-4 billion the very first time I do it then I have a bridge to sell you. 
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Sure, but how many edge cases are people going to find in PvE content and by testing new doctrine fits?
And what if you don’t find any bugs? that just means you got free knowledge without risk and didn’t aid CCP in the slightest
And why should it? why should people be allowed to test stuff for free without any cost?
If you can justify why you should be able to test things without risk and without cost then sure, but given that CCP cannot remove that knowledge from your head when you leave the server there really isn’t a way to do it that doesn’t massively end up benefiting people, thats why there are mass tests aimed to test specific things they need testing
Well that is now your option, risk vs reward, you want to experience something you better be willing to risk having it exploded, as is the way in EVE
Are you implying there are no bugs in PVE content?
I would suggest that’s where most bugs are to be found.
Mr Epeen
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Sure, its not none, but for the most part you aren’t going to find them just aimlessly testing content in order to maximize your ISK income, proper testing requires static variables so you can spot the variance caused by the bug, constantly tweaking said build means you’re less likely to notice issues
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that is the trade off for testing though. I play your game and if i find a bug i report it. The exchange here, is my time (which isn’t free btw) for your bugs. By your logic beta testers shouldn’t exist
see above, this is the trade off, my time for your bugs. We both benefit
Do you think beta testers for every game have their memory wiped after the testing is done? I can see it now:
“Hey remember when you beta tested GTA 5” - Thomas Everyman
“No Thomas…I don’t actually” - Former GTA 5 Beta Tester
I mostly agree here. Once my structure is actually up, then fair game but be realistic.
I’m corp A, I’ve saved up enough money for a Athanor with some rigs, I know full well that anywhere i put it up it could go poof the next day. I am fully prepared to get wardecced . I know if i can’t defended it i shouldn’t have one up. Can I at least try to launch this thing as a test first? were talking about billions of dollars here.
If that corp launches that sucker live the first time and does it wrong, even after studying and it gets blown up before they can even blink. Well, that maybe it for most corps and as funny as that is for you it’s bad for the game.
I understand that they closed the server because of leaks/exploits,gaming the system etc. However can I get an hour a month per corp though? 3 logins per month total per corp? Can i get 5 mins, a bread crumb, a piece of dust lol . Something!
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