Bring back the MARAUDERs 100% plates bonuses! FUN or DUST!

Impressive, what were you flying?
It seems CONCORD jumped in and killed a few of them…
I’m not sure of what Zkill is saying…
So it seems they miscalculated their firepower of not much afterall…
couple more peeps and it could have gone sideways…

Do you see the Marauder as being “problematic” as well
when they had the 100% plate bonuses as all other BS hulls???

Did you lose Marauders before and or after the change???
Or it is like nothing has changed???
Bc that looks to me that is what you’re trying to say…

I wonder how that applies to older characters living there to recruit…

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The only time I’ve lost marauders was not due to lack of buffer. They are very strong active tanks and should be piloted to their strength. Their lack of buffer bonus gives them a weakness that can be exploited, this is good for balance.

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Again…after several times that its been mentioned…

As long as you arent farming, you may stay as long as you like.

This should be great when vets start bumping the sh*t out of new players… Yeah, I know. FC is going to “police” this. I supposed they’re going to ban traders who supply Manifest as well? One set of rules for one type of vet; one set of rules for another. Good luck with that…

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@Arthur_Aihaken, exactly 100% correct… If they refute / dispute a statement then they need to do their own research and provide proof to the contrary…

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What nonsense.

If someone is making an outlandish claim, i.e. that multiboxed fleets of 30+ gankers are prevalent in new Eden, it is up to them to provide evidence.

What a load of BS…

People can make any claim they want and if somebody decides to refute that claim, then that person needs to provide proof disproving the claim…

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If they’re right, it should be easy peasy, lemon squeezey. :lemon::lemon::lemon:

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What if the the claim is something that is verifiable and the counter claim is not? IE: Claim: Stars exist
Counter-Claim: Stars do not exist.
Who has the burden of proof? You said the person refuting the claim…but there is no way to prove that. The person with the claim needs to substantiate their claims in that case. The people saying that something exists, needs to be able to point to it.

Again, people can make any claim they want and if you want to disprove it, then you have to provide proof…

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If that were the case, no one has disproved that dragons don’t exist, and are therefore fact.

The Earth is Flat and Stationary.

Good luck…

Well, I think most people (intentionally?) misunderstanding CCP/FCs statements.
Even if you are mining or doing anomalies or missions, you can stay as long as you want. Even as a Veteran. The only thing you are not allowed to do is excessively grinding the content to a degree that it is seen as abuse of that newbie space. Which will probably be handled on a case2case basis by the GMs but will most likely apply to people trying to bring massmultibox mining fleets in there oder erase the anos in no time with pimped Jackdaws, Skybreakers, Tengus or something similar.

I’d bet if you are just mining with 1-2 Barges/Exhumers or your own Orca+Miner or do Low Level Missions in a Faction Cruiser, not disturbing anyone, you can just live there forever and no GM will punish you for it.

I have bearded dragons in my house. :smiley:

Facts :slight_smile:

Thats very possible, yes.

We shall see what that tolerance is on the 9th.

Your counter? Absolutely. Here’s what I actually (originally) said:

Except with the 30+ multi-boxing fleets, CONCORD just doesn’t matter in most high-sec systems.

lol, people can make any claim they want, the problem is people thinking I’m going to refute it, regardless of how outlandish that claim may be…

Yeah they do. But what argument is that for the claim that “Ganking is a huge problem”? None. They exist. But they are rare, chances that they target you if you aren’t offering them a highly profitable target is almost zero and evading them is pretty easy.

So yeah, they exist. We agree on that. Yeah, they can kill many targets (by far not all targets, I have survived gank attempts by much more than 30 ships), we don’t disagree here either. But they are still not a problem because the damage they actually do to players who play careful and with attention to their surrounding is pretty much irrelevant.

So, vets can’t a) mine, b) run missions, c) explore but they can d) trade. I could quote the umpteen number of threads that indicate trading and market interaction is a form of PvP. Since PvP is expressly banned in Exordium, I’d love to hear your rationale here… Unless the latter isn’t a form of PvP.

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