Broker Relations

Yep. People complaining about the evil traders, should realize that traders will buy and/or sell anything, at any time. If you have 1000 warp disruptors, and you need to liquidate them to get ISK to buy trit for your next job, having a buyer sitting there 23/7 is useful.

This is what traders/wholesalers/market makers do.

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I can fill you that Aiko, but they will all come with a safety that prevents from shooting on freighters and miners xD

Just curious, what this trader doing during his one hour free per day ?

@Aiko_Danuja
I have to admit , you have good communication skill
This is the thread of the poor dying traders , you still find a way to squeeze your ad with already some sucess :smiley:

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i do not quite understand the this option : “In Upwell structures, the minimum broker fee that can be configured by the structure owner increases from 0% to 1%, adding an ISK sink to these market fees by paying half of this incoming fee to an NPC.”

The station is build by players
Maintain by players
Controlled by players.
Fueled by players
Guarded by players
Even politics come in to the controlling a station.

Charging structure owners a new tax on this broker fee income. When the owner receives their 1% fee, they will immediately pay half of it onward to the Secure Commerce Commission.

What does one get in return for paying the tax?

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SCC authorization to anchor the structure lol

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You can’t ask this question seriously .
CCP want to squeeze your profit, that’s all .
The same for all the traders , the false excuse of " fighting the bot", " preventing margin scam" , this non sens of 0.01 isk war or the aliens for attackingh Reykjavik should already give you an hint .

They come for the traders nobody move , … then they come for me, I ask for help but there was no one to turn to :smiley:

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Currently the broker fee of most player stations is 0.1% (e.g. in Abudban) to 0.5% (TTT in Perimeter) or similar.
Now they get at least 0.5%, even if they set their minimum fee to 1% (the future minimum). For most it is more money, and well lets see how greedy the TTT owners will be :slight_smile:

Why do people need to come up with these weird conspiracy theories?

What’s so scary about taking CCP at their word? They’re doing it to introduce an ISK sink, to reduce the overwhelming power that player owned structures have (vs NPC stations) when it comes to marketing (0% in player structures vs 3% in NPC stations with best standings).

CCP has always been trying to figure out a way to balance the total amount of ISK in the game. They’re tweaking various aspects of the game and iterating on the game.

But heaven forbid you feel personally slighted by CCP and need to resort to weird conspiracy theories and ■■■■.

This doesn’t make any sense.
If they get too greedy, competitors will pop up. It would hurt them if they tried to get greedy. Especially on top of this 1% fee increase. If they want to maintain control, they’re just going to keep it low.

They already have the highest fees in the station with the highest volume, if that is not greed, what is it?

highest fees

It’s lower than Jita…?

But higher than in Abudban, beside Rens (0.1%) or Frarn, beside Rens (0.3%). Dont know about the station next to Dodixie…

I’m not sure what your point here is?

Are you saying that because someone put up a 0.1% tax structure in some other part of the universe, TTT needs to do the same?

I read you a lot in this thread.
Despite your claim all along this thread that everyone here is stupid or childish,
do you understand anything ?

It is not obvious that anyone selling or buying will get a shrinking margin ?

With the conspiracy stuff , you made your point : you’re just a bad troll .

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I can understand this.

What I don’t understand is why you’re all crying about it as if it’s the end of the market. The market will adjust, and you’ll still get your profits.

Way back when, downtime used to be an hour long, so EVE hours were 23/7.

Read a little more carefully , I speak only about the margin and some trade scenarii .
This would not kill the market , on the other end it will change it definitly .
That’s what you did not understand even if you pretend to be smarter than us …

You already show that you don’t know how ot trade, and that you are here just to troll us .
I won’t lose my time any longer with you , even if I will see you go on beeing a bad troll .
I am quite sure you have been reported already at least 5 times .

@879
Indeed , now the DT is often less than 10mn.

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I haven’t seen a new dev reply on this concern, so I wanted to bring it out separately from the other changes coming on March 10th.

I’ve been hearing more from those that manufacture goods for sale, things that capsuleers need in order to engage in the game. They’ve worked out the effects of the change in relisting and it doesn’t seem good at all. Forcing the manufacturers out of EVE via frustration and making it impossible to continue doing that will also heavily impact the rest of the community by making many things either cost much more, or be unavailable much of the time.

Manufacturing higher tier items in EVE requires a functioning market in order to buy most of the things to build the higher level items. When that breaks down, an individual often can not simply ‘adapt’. They no longer have the possibility of building any more. The market can be made to be completely human-unfriendly. It can be manipulated to exclude or include more or fewer players. The relist fee change is an exclusion factor.

Again, ultimately, this change will manipulate it to exclude. Those players, and many of those players facing a now empty market, may indeed adapt. But that adaptation will be to HTFU and leave EVE behind. And with the market still sitting crushed under that problematic change, any new players coming in won’t see the rich options of before. They’ll also be faced with fewer options, thus making the retention problem worse as they get discouraged.

It seems that any mass player disagreement with CCP decisions gets shut down as uninformed or ‘doom and gloom’. But those players have put heart into the game and we try to defend our investment of heart, even if it seems that those in charge are so disconnected from the effects of those decisions as to render any player emotional investment into EVE, foolish in the extreme.

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There seems to be a lot of unsupported assumptions here.

You’ve given no math or examples to back up “I heard from people and they worked out this isn’t a good change”. You also just toss out opinions as if they were facts: ‘this change will exclude’, ‘players will leave EVE behind’, ‘market will be crushed’, ‘retention will be discouraged’, ‘mass disagreement gets shut down’.

From what I saw on the official thread, there are about as many people saying “Good change” as “bad change”. Your post attempts to present a dire situation in the making, but is basically just “I don’t like this change and I’m sure everyone agrees this will be bad for EVE”.

Get some facts, and maybe try putting them in the thread already on the topic.

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Yeah, I still dont know why its bad for me

I mean, they said Black In was going to stop ships existing.

Meh, I’m not a fan of the new system, but I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as you claim it is. Moreover, the old system probably frustrated the hell out of industrialists that played more casually, and likely made it easy for bots to outcompete humans (although I’d bet that players thought that the market bots were more prevalent than they actually were; after all, I’ve had players message me saying things like, “just making sure you weren’t a bot”).