The market SPREADS are going to increase; there will be a greater difference between buy and sell order prices. My initial guess is that they’ll go up by about 5-6%, split between increased sell prices and lower buys, but that’s based on my personal activity. We won’t really know for a month or two after the change.
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Yes, HTFU and buy ships for PLEX… that’s the new meta.
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I believe market spreads will decrease, as the optimal value to prevent people from relisting you and forcing you to lose money tends to be approach to the 0 profit / loss margin. Obviously supply / demand will affect this, but it’s just a guess.
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It’s really hard to say.
Market spreads for actively traded items will shrink for sure. The tick size and cost for adjusting orders will push the profit margin for flipping items to zero.
Market spreads for less active items might shrink some too, but this is less clear to me. The “stickiness” from the cost might keep things from shifting as fast, but I kinda doubt it.
In general though, prices might go down as liquidity shrinks from the margin trading deletion and traders/bots giving up, or at least holding back, until things stabilize. Less ISK in buy orders means buy orders (and ISK) will be more valuable, and push the market prices down some.
My best guess then: lower spreads for sure, slightly lower prices at the places most people trade. The more peripheral markets are already thinly traded and not very efficient so the won’t change much at all.
But anyone who tells you they know for sure what is going to happen has outed themselves as having an agenda to push, or a fool. How this complex system responds to these significant changes is not something even CCP with all their data can predict, so players on the outside can only guess how this all shakes out.
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Smart Traders can always be more dynamic and adaptable than bots. Bots are predictable by their very nature… Unless the ‘bot-writers’ are sitting there coding new strategies in real time, or have a ridiculous amount of free time to code some extremely complicated strategies into their trading bot algorithims.
But that is more cyborg than bot, i.e. a person/bot combo, with the person coding furiously as a near full time job to keep up with the trading strategy arms race…
If they are that good and dedicated at coding then they should get a far superior result by doing a bit of RL coding work and use the income to simply buy PLEX lol.
I think so too, and I plan on making bank off it.
You are.
You claim that you will make “more” while the market changes won’t allow anything more than was available before ; on the opposite, since it will become a bigger isk sink, then it means every operation will be more expensive, therefore less operation will remain profitable.
So no, market manipulation won’t change, but the profitability will decrease.
Or just post more orders that are actually even for them.
Or people just buy your stuff for “even price” and then … well people don’t produce because you made the prices go too low, then once you sold all your stuff at lower prices, then the prices rise again.
So you eventually just gave away your stuff, for almost free.
That’s not market manipulation. That’s stupidity. Nowhere did I claim that you won’t be able to make stupid things. And you are still right now able to do those stupid things.
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lmao of course it will change, because new rules + new strategies to try and discover = fun times. I love this sort of ■■■■. I play eve because I like the challenge. This is a new challenge.
You have a very simplistic view of market manipulation, I have a few more tricks up my sleeve, that example was the most basic obvious one I don’t mind sharing because any trader worth their salt will be doing the same.
lol ffs, I’m dumbing it down big time, of course this isn’t the be all and end all, I’m not going to write you a fecking recipe on how to be a trader. Trust me I am more than fine with the changes.
It’s quite wierd because you are looking forward to the changes, and I am too… You SEEM to think you are scoring some sort of win because you THINK I am going to get pwned by the new changes lmao.
Anyway thanks for your concern that I won’t be able to adapt and exploit the new system, you are very kind, but I assure you, I will be more than fine, and I am actually looking forward to things getting spiced up 
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No you are not. You claim that it will be worse for the market. You want this to not happen.
No.
You seem to be crying rivers, making exaggeration, so I am scoring points by explaining why your opinion is actually absurd.
I don’t care. If you are not able to adapt and rely on crying on the forum, your issue. I’m pretty sure anybody can adapt, even you, and that you crying here is just because you don’t want to adapt and know your margin will suffer from this change, if you don’t.
Dude, dont try to reason with Anderson. He’s been posting for the last 500 posts or so trying to show us all how wrong we are, while he shows a complete and total ignorance of every aspect of EVE he talks about.
Yes you have been scoring a lot of points with the thousands that have read this thread… not the good kind of points, tho. Keep showing your ignorance on every aspect of eve you play.
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Worst for most players and the health of the game generally. Not for greedy bastards like me.
Crying? I said I’m looking forward to it. Reading comprehension? what is it? lol
lolwut? Where am I crying? I outlined a very basic strategy that COULD work if played right as an example that market manipulation isn’t dead and is only going to get more cutthroat (WHICH I FECKING LOVE!)… ofc there is more to it than that, timing, the right products, how much to undercut, etc… I said I’m not going to write you a 50 page essay, because there is a LOT more to consider, it was just a VERY basic outline.
I’m not crying trust me, I am genuinely looking forward to this. I’m just pointing out it will screw most other players… NOT me.
I think Anderson has some sort of fantasy that Traders as a profession is going to get nerfed big time and become second rate to whatever it is that Anderson does. Probably thinks this is our day of reckoning or something. Yeah some unimaginative and new traders will suffer definitely, but that makes life easier for the veterans and those of us that can tough it out and be more creative.
And that seems to annoy this Anderson person, because Anderson’s fantasy is very fragile and maybe it isn’t going to play out as they are hoping.
Couldn’t be further from the truth, I recon the traders that succeed from these changes will have more power than ever.
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Where exactly did I write anything like that ?
That would only be true, if all the traders relied solely on 0.01isk.
Those are the one crying here that “it will be bad for the market”, or “it will increase the bots” which is just BS prediction.
On the opposite, I wrote that people can adapt and still make good profit - but yeah, 0.01isk spamming will be gone.
BS.
The examples you gave show that you will lose more money than now.
That’s not market manipulation. That’s just you losing money on purpose.
The moment you claim absurd things in order to show that this change is bad for the game, such as claiming you losing money on purpose is a form of market manipulation that is not possible now.
You are trying to draw a picture that shows this change as bad, with completely stupid examples, that not only do not present this change as bad, but are also already possible to do by now.
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Um nowhere. “I think Anderson…” that means it’s my opinion. Reading comprehension… work on it.
Fine by me. I don’t rely on that and I’ve been actively working on alternate strategies to that for ages now, because it bores the shyt out of me, and I consider success to be minimal effort for maximum result. 0.01 isking is a lot of effort and a big time cost. I ALREADY play the markets in ways which will work under this new paradigm.
lol I’m not going to show you my cards. That was just a simple example. And I might even be bluffing?
How? I sell some stock of which I have shyt loads, whoopty do. Meanwhile I do mortal damage to my competitors to achieve my goals. It’s just ammo to me, nothing more.
I can weather it, I don’t care. I have the ammo, and I have the tank. I know where and when to strike. I’ll be collecting the loot with a smile on my face.
So that’s just more BS.
That was just a stupid example, that actually shows the opposite of what you claim.
You literally wrote that you will sell it at even point. If you were not already, that means you will lose money. If you go from 150% break point to 100% break point, you are actually losing money, by definition.
You claim that you will be able to do it thanks to the change, while you actually can do it now.
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Maybe… I already am . (Wallet chime)
Contradiction in terms.
You really don’t get it, do you?
Seeing lots of plunging sell orders, well below manufacturing cost. Traders are dumping in anticipation of the new changes or moving on completely. Seems it may be market chaos for the first 30-60 days, at least. Major isk could be made if you’re willing to pull the trigger.
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I really get it, it’s stupid.
And I also explained why.
Which depends on the persons.