“sad faced Karens”
Holy hell I’m dying
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Yep, markets starting to go wonky 
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With theses first changes of the market, do you think CCP will be nerf it more
or revise their changes ?
( as long as I see the changes on market , that was always to worsen it
so probably a bear market … )
I anticipate also with products with less than 20% margin,
cash in the 50% margin , and only keep > 75% .
I don’t go to a trade fight pants down 
The first three month I will be probably watch and see the effects and if seen,
try some offensive movement ( moving 2/3 of my asset into isks ) .
There will be good opportunity :
- with all the SO waiting some customers => rarefaction of isks
- with all the harassment on getting rid off their orders => selling at very low margin , sometimes negative.
I can be wrong , I don’t really care because this is the beauty of the trade
put your bets and enjoy whatever come .
You really don’t get it, do you?
I think they do ‘get it’, but are either just getting their entertainment by arguing down anyone that participates in the thread or are happy to see the game burn and don’t want sense to come in and ruin that entertainment.
What someone else said is a little worry I had too:
Anderson_Geten
Yes, HTFU and buy ships for PLEX… that’s the new meta.
Game of Tanks for space, get your golden destroyers for PLEX!
Unfortunately, certain ‘decision makers’ at CCP have had hare-brained schemes like this before.
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All 45 orders? You do realize 315 orders per alt are available?
Actually one omega toon gets 315 orders…
And just so you realize: there are people with active order count over 2K.
Great. More marketshare for me once things stabilize a bit.
interesting prediction, i guess the opposite. It is as you said, based on the items you trade you predict the increase in spread, without revealing which typed of item you trade, what make you believe that?
I’m hoping I’m wrong and you are right.
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That’s pretty interesting .
It could show us that you are changing your way of trading ( I use your tool to see if the new trade method are more efficient than the previous).
If you didn’t change your trade method, indeed after the transitional phase , you gain more .
The same method enable you to earn more
The trend before the taxe change was less steep.
I can see that after the summer holiday your activity was quieter .
Strange conclusion I have, it took you 3 month before showing a globally increasing wealth, then it looks like buziness as usual .
( this tool has the drawback with the Plex : counting them in global asset then not
My chart is completely f…ed due to that
Obviously you don’t trade it )
On mine as I change often my trade method ( too boring to do the same again and again #IAmNotABot )
My chart looks like not corrolated with any CCP changes even if it does ( https://imgur.com/a/YCgWHgo )
The asset value is dropping much more than wallet balance increasing, and overall asset value is going down after the announcement. i did no change of strategy .
The spikes are just items that people have create very high sell orders for and they don’t represent the real value. The last spike is ammo seeling for 41 isk, that someone put a sell order for 87 million.
Also jEVEassets tool, only registers data (creating dots on the chart) each time you you pull data with the app, so every day or so i open the app and update even if i don’t use the app.
Because after this change you will have a very limited number of relisting before you trade at a loss. The farther you are away from the cost and / or loss price, the bigger the gap in which a 3rd party can relist and force you to relist again so that your order is on top. Are you going to relist by the minimum possible difference, or try to close the gap setting up a larger change? This reminds me of that old game in which you take turns grabbing between 1 to 3 sticks from a pool of sticks, and whoever ends up with the last stick loses.
So both sell orders and buy orders are going to be pushed towards the 0 profit threshold.
Im already seeing it in Rens - some people have put buy orders increasing the cost of buy orders by several millions (in case of a certain ship i trade, buy order has gone up over 70 million isk)
Same thing is happening to some sell orders.
I am certain some people will manipulate the markets as usual, but the spread between sell / buy order prices will narrow down much quicker than before.
But it’s just a guess.
EDIT: My bad I just noticed you were replying to someone else. I saw the quote and thought you were replying to me. 
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You need to be first, and let your opponent with only 1+ (1+3) * n stick. Eg we start with 20, you remove 3 sticks to reach 17 = 1+4 * 4. Next, whatever he chooses you remove stick to go to 1+4 * 3=13 (if he removes one you remove three, etc)
If you start with 1+(1+3) * n sticks (eg 21 = 1+4 * 5) you lose.
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Oh man, after 4 years of RL-break I see alot of changes (I didn’t even read the patchnotes)
As a manager of a small company I thing some of you a shooting in the wrong direction. Go on the other side of the desk. Now you are a manager of CCP. What is the money-chain?
Real-Money -->Plex/Pakages -->Gametime/ISK -->Items -->ISK -->Plex–>Free Gametime
What are your graetest concerns?
First: Make RM to pay all the bills!
Second: Produce RM-Shareholder-Value!!!
What your biggest enemy? Right - Free Gametime
Who produces Free Gametime? Bots of every kind and welthy trader/corps. So lets fight them!
The Roadmap: If you want to play for free - play Alpha. If you want to play Omega - pay REALMONEY!!!
Have Fun and fly safe
Bots don’t produce free game time. The time was bought by someone and traded for isk to the bot. From a rl money to CCP standpoint characters who buy Plex with isk make CCP real money by creating demand for Plex.
CCP wanting to get rid of bots is more of a desire to make the game desirable to real players even while the bots do make them money.
No they don’t.
The one who make real money for CCP are the one who purchase plex with real money.
Now what’s the effect of one person buying plex from isk ? I don’t know. But definitely not producing money for CCP.
What happens when more people buy plex with isk ? well, the price of plex increases. Which mean, people who buy plex for money need less plex for the same amount of ISK. so there are more plex in demand, and less plex in production, hence their price increases again. Of course, if the price is too high, there will be less people using it, so the price will start to go down.
I’m not saying what’s good or bad. I just notice an obvious nonsense in your post and pointed at it.
Your response shows complete lack of understanding.
Lol why would anyone buy Plex with real money? Because they can sell it for isk. Why is game time sold? So it can be used. So the people buying Plex with isk give Plex sellers a reason to spend RL$ and they are not causing CCP any expense they weren’t expecting from selling game time in the first place.
In fact, Plex is even better for CCP as they cost more$ per unit of game time than a sub and the game time many times isn’t used immediately as Plex is hoarded. Thus they get money now and don’t need to provide service now increasing cash flow.
Nobody cares.
For CCP it does not care what the plex are used for . What it cares, is who purchased it, and when it is activated. The one who purchased it is the one who made money, the one who activated it is the one who made that money usable for CCP (before that it’s money that is prepaid)
You are completely wrong.
Plex is not money KNOW. It is money only once it is used.
Buying 100 subs in plex know but only using one sub at a time is the same as buying and using one sub at a time, for CCP.
People who buy plex create money for CCP ; and people who use plex make that money available (it’s for a transaction that has been complete). On the other hand, paying a 6 month sub gives the sub the moment they are paid.
Lol CCP has the cash in their wallet the moment the Plex is purchased. The expense to them due to the Plex comes when the service is given to the player (some time in the future). Sure there is a liability on the books of the value of service if all the Plex was possibly activated (which then is also reduced when things like skins are purchased with Plex) but that doesn’t mean the cash isn’t in the bank already and doesn’t mean that CCP isn’t tracking the amount of pre billed services and the rate they have to make good on the liability.
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No they don’t.
Check out CCP financial reports. They just don’t, it’s written black on white.
Plex purchase is not an income, it’s a deferred income IIRC.
The reporting method to meet their gov requirements doesn’t change the facts I presented. Them not counting it as income so they can defer tax liability doesn’t change the fact they have the cash immediately even if it isn’t counted as “income” on the financials.
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