… non selling orders make no isk… idle isk make no isk…
If you consider someone making 550 mil ISK off an implant and then me making 650 mil ISK off the same implant 10 days later to be me losing, then sure.
I call that a win, and I’ve done it many times by not playing the 0.01 ISK game on sell orders even though it’s tempting. It won’t be so tempting anymore past March 2020.
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That depends entirely on what those 10 days represent in the larger balance sheet though, doesn’t it?
If person A can turn over an implant for 550 mil every 2 days, and you’re turning it over for 650 every 12… yeah, I’d say your 650M is ‘losing’ compared to their 3.3B.
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That’s not this issue here so why bring it up? We’re talking about traders with 50-400 orders…not 1-offs…
They would not spend that much time playing “0.01 ISK off” game since order modification is costly, shouldn’t it be a win for them?
Ah ha! Except I’m not a Jita market alt.
I sansha incursion, sleeper rat, mission, abyss, trig invasion, and occasionally ship-to-ship PVP.
When I feel like converting a buncha concord LP to ISK, I sell said implants. When I have some mission loot from when I was new in 2013/2014 that turns out be now be vital for making Rorqual Excavators, I sell my entire stash for 8 billion ISK.
etc. etc. etc. I’m a sporadic and opportunistic market user, I don’t use it each and every day. It strikes me that CCP is trying to make more people like me and less people like 24/7 market traders. That isn’t “good” or “bad”, it’s just different.
If they want to do that then so what…
Traders with that many orders aren’t the norm. And they’re gonna be even less than norm past March 2020. Is the point.
And I have used all of my orders before. All 45+45+45. To sell event skins in Jita/Amarr during events 3-4-5 years ago. It was a nightmare.
Think. Who benefits from this the most…especially the ‘tick’ concept…
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Then they can play the same game with small amount of rarely-needed cheap goods. NPC commodities should fill the ticket.
CCP? CCP usually benefits the most from changes CCP decides to make.
LMAO… imagine u could make that… each time the item is sold… over 10 - 20 times a day if that is the bid-ask spread… u made it once… i made it 12 times out of 20 each day cause i was one of the ones fighting the #1 lowest seller.
AND OH U DO TRIG INVASIONS!!! want to see my buy/sell orders for those items that i actually get from the invasions as well? LMAO
Are you kidding? As you just pointed out, even two toons get you near the 100 order mark.
You are right that there will be less after this rolls in…the big boys in Null must be laughing now…
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someone gets ittttttttt!.. and someone will always fight for the #1 sell spot… regardless of all
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How did the blackout go for them? They are still unfacking themselves from the Rorq changes too…
Do you really think this is well thought out? (for the record, I don’t mind the fee increase)
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BTW, I would love it if Walmart and the like couldn’t do that stupid 99.99 pricing. It’s ridiculous, it only works on fools. “OMG, this gasoline is 1.9999 per gallon! that means I’m only spending 1 buck per gallon, not 2 bucks per gallon!” etc. etc. etc. mentality marketing.
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Eve Online’s market and economy are arguably its best feature. AFAIK it is the only MMO with a mostly player driven economy. Furthermore, economics is complicated. Why make such large changes and fark with it? There will be unintended consequences.
CCPlease.
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It’s 1.99 to prevent in-house theft…it forces the till open and records a transaction.
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I don’t have too many opinions on the blackout. as a HS/WH player at the time, the blackout meant I could scout NS connects from our WH chain without showing myself in local.
That was about the long and the short of it for me.
I have a WH corpmate who’s also a goon and he hated it. But a week before it, everyone was complaining about the drifter BSes everywhere. We’re humans, we love to complain about everything. Me, too, btw. I hate the red dot, I REALLY hate how it’s ■■■■■■■ up inventory (auto)sorting and all. But while a few things in this announced change have me going “hmmm… wonder how that’ll go…” for the most part, this seems like a change I can get behind.
Will it be once it’s been in game for a few months? Who knows, we’ll see.
I have much stronger feelings about the hypernet, skill injection/extraction, and just alphas in general than I do about any blackout and WH changes and market changes from the past year, though, I’ll say that.
CCP why are you using a cannon to kill a mosquito? Slap price update penalties on those who follow closely “behavioral patterns that are very likely not human”. Base the penalty on the likelihood. If you are basing your decision on a clear indication of what % of trades are bots, it means you can identify them and hence target accordingly. If not, you are just making an (un-)educated guess and killing yet another play style.
Also, before applying random real-life market constraints, please consider that markets in EVE are nothing as liquid and effective as real-life markets – just look at the spreads outside Jita.
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