I have 19 toons who used to produce all sorts of T2 rigs. Sold all mats and rigs i have and paused all my manufatcutring… I m not gonna say i ll quit game, but for sure as hell, i dont see a way buying 20 bils of mats everyday with this proposed changes. I dont even want to talk about selling 1000+ T2 rigs per day in jita…
That’s not the worst thing … the worst thing is CCP making me don’t care anymore… I know eve need changes, but half baked changes to so fundamental parts of game… gotta be bad for the game.
p.s. sorry for my English, it’s not my native language…
However how could they be wrong about BO ? it was never claimed to remain in the game. It was literally “we want to know what happens”. There was no way to be wrong about the will to understand / test things. The ones that are wrong, are those that claim BS and then are called out.
Other recent case where CCP admitted a “mistake” : the emerging conduits. They had not foreseen the activity those would generate.
And another example for how CCP has no clue what they are doing. They deliberately introduced ridiculous loot from the start to entice people to run it and then they were aghast because players actually ran that stuff and reaped ridiculous reward. Subsequently, they had to nerf the thing and frustrated more players. Typical CCP.
Especially that they could not have foreseen this outcome is the lamest excuse ever for CCP. They have massive data mountains from Incursions, Invasions, Burner Missions among many other things where they naively introduced high rewards and then had to realize how that was bad. CCP cannot not have foreseen this exact same outcome with MC since they took the exact same steps. Expecting different outcomes from doing the same thing is the definition of insanity.
But thanks for providing another example of CCP incompetence. Just like they failed with these things they will also fail with these market changes.
Good tips, although sorry, maybe I should just explain: I didn’t want the Plex really as a crisis-proof haven for my cash, kind of like gold during a RL stock market crash. I wanted the plex, bought with my in-game isk, because I intend to pay for my subscription with it.
I think the bits of the game I played that I really enjoyed: manufacturing to sell, selling things, a bit of flipping-margin-trading; all these parts of the game are being deliberately wrecked, as far as I can see.
If this turns out to be the case, I might hang around for a while, just in case, but sure as sh1t, I’m not giving CCP a single penny while I’m doing it. So my account will be converted from the 14€/month to ‘no cash for CCP’ Plex.
I could theoretically last quite a while on my stockpiled 50Bill of “screw you CCP” money
You complain that CCP does not foresee the future. That CCP makes mistakes. You’re just a ■■■■■.
Whatever CCP does, you will ■■■■■ unless it only benefits YOU.
CCP add EC? it’s bad ! Then removes EC ? it’s bad again ! Whatever, you’re not here to discuss but to ■■■■■ !
It’s not about what is right or wrong : it’s about being a fucktard ■■■■■, without any intellectual capacity to discuss .
More impotent salt. I just told you how CCP has handled these things in the past and that they repeated the same mistakes again and will repeat them again. CCP keeps talking how they always want more data, have lots of data to do things. It is not about “not being able to foresee the future”, CCP can do that already and yet they keep acting contrary to better knowledge and keep frustrating players.
You really ought to take a deep breath, you cannot think straight from all that maoning.
I would never say that removing anything Triglavian is bad. Trig stuff was a huge mistake. Hence, you are wrong about that I would complain about CCP fixing that mistake.
In contrast to you I can manage a discussion without having to resort to colorful language. All you can do is name-calling without providing any meaningful counterargument.
That salt from this morning was really good, by the way. Made my breakfast egg pop really good. Thanks for it.
No you did not.
Instead you emitted generic bitching.
You really ought to STFU. Like, forever.
Yet you say it.
It’s not discussion. It’s bitching. You just claim BS opinion as being the universal truth, while it’s just your personal agenda that dictates what is good or bad.
You don’t discuss. You only ■■■■■. There was not a single factual point in your whole post. Just “I don’t like what they did”. But nobody cares. You are just a useless ■■■■■.
You complain that CCP made mistakes. But that’s just the definition of bitching. Yes, any choice can be a bad one in retrospect. Yet it does not mean that it’s not the best one on the moment it is taken. And just look at the amount of BS that is here about a discussion : people claim that it’s the end of the game, without a single argument. No wonder CCP does not even care about your opinion ! You deserve it !
Finally took your deep breath? Fine. No, you are wrong. A decision to introduce an overpowered or out of balance feature just to attract people to it, from which you know how well they take nerfs to their favorite activities, is not a good decision ever. You just keep frustrating your income source. And based on the data that you gathered from previous endeavors in a similar field you as a game developer should know how to introduce the feature with appropriate rewards that do not break everything. There was lots bad feelings about nerfed Incursion income, there was lots of negative feelings about nerfed Invasion income, there was lots of bad feelings about Burner Mission nerfs. So many bad feelings about nerfed out of balance money makers. And yet you introduce another out of balance income source. People flock to it, are happy and then you notice “Oops, that makes things really bad, better nerf it” and people express bad feelings again. Wonderful vicious cycle.
And now you introduce something that causes even more frustration that does not only affect the people stocking the markets but also those who need stuff on the market to do things. Even more people frustrated for no positive experiences whatsoever.
CCP does not care because of people like you keep reinforcing their bad behaviors.
Yes it is. When you create a new feature, it’s better to make it OverPowered than UnderPowered. ALWAYS. Because it’s much easier and faster to then balance it down, simply because you have more usage data about it. Whatever you do, you’ll need to add a new feature a bit OP and then nerf it. Otherwise you add something that is DoA.
That’s just bitching. Nobody cares. People either adapt or ■■■■■. I know you chose your path in life. I did not complain when CCP nerfed X or Y activity I was doing. I did not complain when CCP nerfed the angel ships, or the assault frigates. I said “I don’t like it” and then I adapted.
No, it was not added as an “out of balance income source”. CCP did not expect such an activity. They literally said it was a mistake. So now you are only bitching about how CCP made a mistake.
When you say “they introduce an out of balance income activity”, you lie. You lie because it serves your vested interests.
Get over it. Yes mistakes will happen again. You know how we call people that keep reminding mistakes all the time ? Yes, bitches. You’re a ■■■■■.
Al I did was show why the arguments(“this will help bots”, “this will make bots better”, “people won’t trade on the market”, “there’s gonna be a krach”, etc.) made ZERO sense. Then all you do is bitching, that CCP already made mistakes and they should listen to you.
CCP does not care because you are a ■■■■■. You are not here to make constructive criticism, you are here to complain that whatever does not float your gloat is bad for everybody and it’s the end of the world.
And my issue, is that since you ■■■■■ so much, real issue can’t be foreseen. For example, people explained that resetting your orders every 3 months could become too expensive. Is it an issue ? or not ? well that could be discussed, but still you rather repeat BS in loop and complain that CCP made mistakes on something else rather than behave like an adult.
Panic everywhere these days, in Eve in and real life.
You’ll be fine. Unless your sole strategy was to update your orders by 0.01 ISK every 5 minutes, you will likely find the markets work better for you. Things will change, strategies might shift, but the market will adjust so that stuff sells at a profit.
You don’t need alpha toon , with the humber of orders with tycoon 5
the undercutter has probably more than enough .
Plus , concerning the SO , most trader prefer the npc stations so the alpha needs to have some standing.
What you’ll fear will be the new deall, we will undercut each other even if the margin is negative ( after a while ).
Renouncing to put your order on such product could be a solution , but this would mean to buy back its market
so having the necessary isk …( it would take a large investment and a very long return , on top of that managing the risk after a crash difficult to forcast when the product recover )
Don’t venture on the market with an item whose margin is less than 30% …
you’ll probably regret it
Better some loss on unsustainable product, may teach you which one to avoid .
That will occur during the first 3 month , after that all the remaining traders will learn the new rules .
There are some super duper long posts in this thread. Can we all agree that more people will be using sell orders, and that buy orders will be fewer/smaller?
I’m not a “station trader.” I am just someone who sells what he makes and finds. I do not usually sell to buy orders. I prefer to sell to market myself. sometimes I have 1000 of something, but can’t sell it down without altering the order a few times over the course of a few weeks.
Now on the same lot, I am going to have several entries (in portions) as I chase the price down. This might not be a “bad change” but I do not consider this an improvement.
If bots are the problem, CCP should punish bots specifically, rather than implement a sweeping change with unknown effects to the foundation of the game. It just seems reckless to me, is all.
Considering that you have 154 posts with nothing but baseless accusations, name-calling, colorful language and not a single shred of credible argument for or against the changes, I am pretty certain the person who prevents meaningful discussion is not me.
What you mention there has been brought up once or twice and no one cared, not even CCP. The suggested solution to this was to increase order time to 1 year. The solution was liked a lot but nothing has changed in the actual feature to be implemented tomorrow, even though this change was suggested weeks ago. If CCP had cared, they would not have introduced this utter garbage of a market fees hike. They would have introduced other things that do not make everything worse about the market and sell it as “we fight bots”.
Sorry for you even if you are not a station trader , you’ll “suffer” their fight to death.
Strangely I will advise you to use the BO as soon as you realize you are in such situation.
particularly with product with large volum in which the difference between offer and demand is positive.
But you’ll see that quite quickly when the BO will decrease rapidly or rapidly your SO buried .
@Zhalyd_Lyehin exactly , numerous post with sole argumentation = You wrong + insult .
When you claim that CCP added EC as “an imbalanced income activity”, you are wrong. You just claim BS. There is just no way around that.
When you complain that
It’s just bitching.
When you claim
That is just plain BS. They don’t add tedium. They just remove a gameplay. You calling that “adding tedium” to then claim it’s a bad thing… it’s just BS.
When you claim that the effect will be different whether the account is used by a player or a human
It’s just plainly wrong.
It’s just ONE example. There are potentially other issues, and you spamming BS and bitching will just prevent discussion over potential issues.
I just told you how CCP has handled these things in the past and that they repeated the same mistakes again and will repeat them again. CCP keeps talking how they always want more data, have lots of data to do things. It is not about “not being able to foresee the future”, CCP can do that already and yet they keep acting contrary to better knowledge and keep frustrating players.
