I already assumed they had the market sewn up, for what it was worth to them, leaving the rest of the scraps for opportunists like me to take up.
I canāt figure why ccp would hand the main money faucet in trade, to a now unstoppable cartel of a small number of players.
PS: Sorry for the dumb question, but how do you see the orders open in the region ?
With the new re-list fee taken into consideration, yes, they likely would take a loss depending on the profit margin for said product. The margin obviously varies per item, but with the latest market change, just relisting once or twice will almost nullify that profit entirely. So good for you if youāre holding the top spot, but the second youāre outbid, youāre now stuck with product on the market that wonāt sell because the lower sellers can just keep placing more orders up once the old ones are sold. So you either relist to sell (which youāve already lost your profit margin) or you wait and hope your product eventually sells before the timer expires.
What Anderson said in regards to ātaking a lossā does not really apply in my market. Very few āacquireā for cheaper or are trying to ādump stockā to move on. Itās literally market PvP. You either hold low sell or you donāt sell. Simple as that.
That literally means that your profit was below 1.5% (for two order relistings). 0.5% for structure.
Either you are very dumb, or you are exaggerating a lot, in order to create an issue that does not exist in the first place.
Thanks for the numbers. I see a lot of orders created before the change just stay unchanged since. Only a fraction (~10-20%) are newer or changed. Iām currently doing some price battle with myself to confuse the competition. 
The small orders help to sell stuff for the higher price from the next order.
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If it wasnāt an issue, I would never have brought it up. But sure, Iāll buy that Iām exaggerating a little because I havenāt bothered to do all the math with relist fees after the latest update. But in any case, market PvP is what I did. Relisting was a common thing I did all the time. With relist fees introduced, that cuts into all profits no matter how small or large the margin was. I only averaged 2 relistings per day for all my product, but most of these listings stay up for a week or more. So take that into account and youāre now at double digits for relisting. I donāt need to do any math to know profits likely wonāt exist at that point.
Yeah so you accept to use complete BS values just in order to make up a problem that does not exist when you use real values.
Yes you do. As you showed, your evaluation is wrong when performed without rigor.
If you cut 4 digits, that means worst case 1001 becomes 1000 so itās a loss of 1/1000. If you cut someone who cuts you, at most you lose 2/ 1000 of the sale, thatās 0.2%.
Again, complete BS.
Alright, Iāll humor you for a moment. So if I trade at a station (not structure) and list an item, thatās instantly 5% removed. How much is taken out per relist? Does it change or is it fixed? How much would it be after 10 relists?
Stop arguing with Anderson, heās not a trader, heās delusional.
Everything he says screams of āi have no basic understanding of tradingā, yet he keeps ignoring more experienced people who try to explain the basics to him. He even tries to teach THEM and call BS on everything they say, as if he had such a higher level of trading understanding no one, absolutely no one in almost 2,000 posts can comprehend his next level ideas.
He keeps talking about āintelligent pricingā just because CCP mentioned the term - one would wonder how someone who knows so much about āintelligente pricingā was defeat by .01isk traders (and holds such a grudge against).
If you looked up Dunning Kruger in medical journos, you would find a photo of Anderson Getenās Avatar.
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Oh Iām aware. If you scroll up enough youāll see the cluster ā ā ā ā with my first post in this topic and what the end result was, lolā¦
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No. Compared to before, itās literally more 0% isk removed.
The fact that brokers+tax remove 5% does not mean that you are at 5% margin -.-
You are not experienced. You are full of ā ā ā ā , and your interventions have zero relevance to the topic.
The only thing you can sell is salt, which you indeed are an important producer.
ā¦ aaaaand I never said anything about margin in my last post.
I thought my questions were pretty simple, but youāre really struggling to even comprehend them (again).
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But thatās what we are talking about since
And you answer to a post that was in that context.
Itās your fault if you donāt try to remain in context.
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lmao. Ok, Iāll start using pictures since youāre so confused what talking points you should be addressing.
Now instead of 5%, weāll use actual numbers. So, taking into account said item sells, Iāll lose 5.56% off the top.
My very simple questions that I already asked wereā¦ how much do I lose from one relist? 5 reslists? 10 relists?
You stated in another topic that 4 relists was equal to listing an item. So does that apply to stations and structures or what? Iām asking you for clarification, not to be confused by simple questions unrelated to another post.
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Lol the irony in this comment ā¦ Please take a step back and look at yourself. You constantly feel the urge to post tens / hundreds of responses in this thread to to insult and call everyone elseās opinions BS. Your responses are always wrong - anyone can tell you donāt trade and you fail to understand the most basic stuff. At this point most people come here to this thread to humour themselves baiting you to talk nonsense. Your responses and indepth trading explanations never fail to āimpressāā¦ not for the good reasons, though 
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Actually Iāll do the math for you since youāre lost misunderstanding my posts again.
I stand to gain a pure 31m ISK in profit from the sale of 10x of an item. So roughly 3.19m isk for 1. If I was to relist right now, Iād lose 5.98m in fees for relisting that order. How much would I lose for relisting a second time? A third time? Ten times? Thatās my question that youāre struggling with right now.
So unless the formula is way different than Iām being led to believe, it looks to me like 6 relists will negate my profits for that order of 10 I have listed, no?
The fee doesnāt go down based on how many times you relist, so you would lose more than all your profits with 6 relists based on your relist fee of 5.98M and profit of 31M isk before any relist. Of course if you sold some of your items during that time then the calculations would be different.
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Amazing !
If I want to change the price of my item āone tick downā the amount of fees is 10 * amount difference ā¦
Comunism dreamed about this, CCP make it reality !!
Hey guys, please ā¦ give me only one exemple of real taxes market working like that ā¦
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Thatās what I thought. Thanks for clarifying since Anderson was struggling with it.
Right, which makes sense. Problem is my marketing relies on relisting to stay competitive. So sucks for me I guess!
Thatās completely in contradiction with what you were saying here :
You wrote that you come here to antagonize.
So no, you are not asking for clarification, but for trolling. Therefore I will ignore any kind of rhetorical question you ask, and try to keep what remains of a discussion on topic.
Iām not struggling with it. Itās just unrelated. Also I answered to it when I told you that your margin is below 1.5%.
If you lose all your profit with 6 relists it means you had less than 4.5% margin to start with.