It’s actually the auto-correct that makes me think my text was right, while it cannot detect the difference between save and safe.
Thanks for pointing it out.
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That’s just trying to muddy the water, this is not needed in a discussion, as it contributes very little. We can ofcourse have a meta-discourse over the presence of more than one GM and more than one type of GM, but that still won’t validate your perspective of GM’s creating policy unilaterally. Right now you’re using a checks & balances protocol example to validate something else entirely 
let’s leave this for what it is, and focus on the actual topic
You may be confusing lack of policy with change of policy. You’ll have to forgive CCP when they haven’t nailed down everything to one’s total satisfaction with a million policies. But even in case of a revision in policy will it often be for the better game.
Admitting you are a scammer after being scammed. 
I want to believe you, because why would you bring that into the light if you would want to scam GM? Doesnt make much sense, I think you rather wanted to ride on a wave of “GMs are bad” subject, because its a common theme in both posts.
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There is no debate. Some things are allowed, like changing the ISK value last second on a direct trade. Some things are not allowed, like breaking a verbal agreement regarding a buddy reward. We know what’s not allowed because CCP tell us so, as in the case of the buddy trials (and character bizare). The issue here seems to be that the GM in question was unaware of the rules of the game.
Which as we all know is fine, unless the trade is one of a finite number of protected ones such as the Char Bizare and Buddy Trials.
I dunno it all seems pretty cut and dry to anyone observing. The guy should get his ISK back and the guy who got scammed sould have it re-taken.
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Wait a second, maybe I found out how it could have looked actually…
alt1 scams alt2 using trade window, then alt1 transfers isk to altbanker.
alt2 makes ticket and GM returns isk to alt2 by making alt1 have negative numbers in wallet. Alt2 transfers ISK to altbanker.
alt4 impersonates alt1 and scams Rainbow Witcher for ISK, then alt4 transfers ISK to altbanker2 and is awaiting negative numbers, but it doesnt work because of GMs not following EULA?
Emmm, am I doint that tinfoil thing right?
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I’m still bothered by the Isk injection.
Seems like a viable tactic. I should try this someday. Need to be clear on whether Trade Window scams are allowed or not first, though. 
Or you could count on error by GM. Just that it doesnt work all the time? Maybe multiple attempts, different GMs? Different alts? 
Was there any? Did OP indeed end up with a negative wallet?
From what I read in this thread, the op scammed someone for a ship and only paid 4.1 mil, offer was 4.1 bil. GM sent op unsolicited ticket to inform them they now have a negative wallet. The person scammed was given 4+ bil by the GM.
Allright, well this changes things. In his other thread OP suggested that he send Billions to someone who he said impersonated a friend. It smells fishy.
It smells like an attempt to abuse the ticket system for profit. Maybe GMs should take a closer look at OP, his Corp wallet, alts, “victims” and all other parties involved.
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Hey OP. It’s not fun to lose 4 billion ISK, is it? LOLOLOL
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As it looks now he never lost 4 billion, but he actually made 4 billion by abusing the ticket system.
Just remarking on the irony of a scammer crying about being scammed. The fact that it was by a GM just makes it that much more delicious. The OP’s tears have quenched my thirst for the day. He saved some poor miners from being bumped somewhere…
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Your assuming there is a connection between the 2 cases. That is just speculation by a few in this thread and the other, And I choose to ignore it. I was early enough to have seen the gm ticket screen grab, So I know (as long as the screen grab was not photo shopped) that a negative balance was created and that the GM gave some one 4 billion isk.
I don’t believe the GM would be so dumb as to not be able to tell whether or not these alts all belong to the same person. Plus according to someone else in this thread the GM was actually a CCP dev who is in charge of the GMs, I didn’t pay attention to who the gm was.
Yeah, we don’t know the details. What if, just for the sake of how funny that would be, OPs scheme includes “scamming” himself, reporting to GMs, GM looks at OPs wallet, finds the 4B in there and OP last-second sends that ISK to his other alt who he claims in the other thread was scamming him. Thereby GMs efficiently double his ISK.
I mean, it’s unrealistic, but it would be fking hilarious.
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Senior GM. Not a developer.
“the only isk doubler acknowledged by CCP”
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inb4 next MER showing 100% rise in money supply