@ISD_Drew can we close this thread ? the OP just post the original post and then dissapear into nowhere and everyone else keep wants to turn this thread into their own thread …
everything what needs to be said is said and everything more is offtopic or just repeating !
Yikes. We just can’t disagree without being disagreeable…
I’d be paying with my time which comes down to the same thing because Time is Money.
Doesnt count for your hobby because this time you spend is voluntary ! And if you dont want it then just dont do it ! Nobody force you to play eve …
Sure mate, keep claiming that ore you mine yourself is free.
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Nice strawman dude 
nobody said such stuff
… maybe lern to understand what youre reading before you start posting your offtopic nonsense
You pay for the ore with your time. The ore is free only if you do not value your time.
This is relevant because some miners who consider their ore free then proceed to produce items and sell to the market at a price that is considered a loss if they were to take the ore value into account. This means they could make more money selling the ore than selling the final product and they’re losing money while producing items. This mistake is avoided if you consider the value of ore to be market value, regardless of whether you mined it or not.
(I do not see how that has to do anything with the topic of this thread though. Looks like Stefnia is trying to derail the topic?)
Because the time you spend for something has some value if you “work” for ! But that was not the point … the point was that you can play eve for free ! He just want to spin my words that it fit to his narrativ …
Because an idiot said that since it is a game, all the time you spend in it has no value, and therefore omega itself is free since it only costs time.
If that is true, ore that you mined yourself is always free, since it only costs time.
That example is talking about an entirely different form of value, which is out-of-game value.
While ore you spent mining costs ISK, you can neither take ISK nor ore out of the game to pay your groceries. It has no real-life value.
You are misinterpreting what they said and making a false comparison.
Not being usable outside of a context does not mean it has not value.
Isk is a currency, even if it does not relate directly to real life currencies.
Isk has a real life value by the existence of RMT (and by the NES too - but the legality of RMT is not relevant to its use as a valuation tool).
Those two definitions of value are actually the same.
you said this but you want to insinuate that ive said this … if i saif this anytime then quote it ! otherwise youre only argument is an strawmen argument … 
and as you cant find any useful arguments against me you have to insult me we all can see what youre trying and this not gonna work xD
if you dont care about the context then you can pretend whatever you want that fits in your narrative
There is no point in flagging my posts when the truth hurts.
As to ISK, mining ore does not cost isk…
You can do so with a free ibis and mining module.
You can do so with free ventures from the Career Agents.
You can run courier missions for standings
You can make your own ammo from the ore you mined
You can sell the ore you mined
You can reprocess stuff for minerals for FREE!!!
You can run combat missions for free
You can build your own ships for FREE!!!
YOU CAN PLAY FOR FREE!!!
the question is, are you playing the game or not playing the game?
If you are not playing and not logged in, then NONE of this matters.
If you are playing, it does not matter if you are a casual or not cause unless someone (like me) is paying for your account it does not matter what others think.
Trust me, i plex up to 30 accts…i play for FREE!!!
so
@stefnia_Freir answer my damm question like i directed at you?
How is mining ore yourself make ore not free?
or you can STFU!!
thats the only think he can do because he cant win a real debate
he never do ! he just come up with strawmens or creates another offtopic post…
you shouldnt say that 
but i agree with you !
and i will assume out both posts get flagged because he didnt like it xD
I forgot to add :
The definition I use in BOTH cases is the first one :
Since there is farming, it means people’s time in the game is valued with ingame money.
Since there is RMT, it means ingame money is valued with real money - and therefore, people’s time in game is valued with real money.
(you would be right to object it’s the activity, not the time, that is valued, but there is a relation between the two)
Therefore, the ore you mine has out-of-game value. Not directly, but one nevertheless.
People buy plex with real money, to then sell plex for ISK, and buy ore with those isk.
The real meaning of “ore you mined are not free” is that despite the absence of a monetary cost to acquire it, your ore still have a value : when you use it, you are consuming that value. Which is literally the opposite of what this guy claimed.
The proof that it has value even without a monetary cost to acquire, is that people place buy order for it, which is the definition of “having value”.
And this is true, even in the absence of any cost, like if magically and forever every 1 hour 1 tritanium appears in my inventor, this tritanium would NOT have a value of 0, even though its acquisition cost is 0. The only case for it to have 0, is that there is no more BO. For example if I gain more per hour than people place BO for. AKA crashing the market. But 1 tritanium per hour is very unlikely to do that.
Surprise surprise, Strefnia Freir goes on an unrelated tangent derailing the topic of the thread and claims they are right by using dictionary definitions. Has this ever happened before? (Yes, it happens all the time.)
Yes, value has a dictionary definition.
Does the dictionary also have an entry for the word ‘context’?
Because the context of spending time on a free hobby is an entirely different context than when you spend time in the game earning ingame currency. People can decide not to spend money on a game but still consider that the time they spend in the game is worth time, or the other way around. The meaning of value in these two different contexts is hardly related.
Yes, you can turn real life value into ingame value, but not the other way around, so there is no dictionary entry that says someone has to consider the ore they mine free just because they play the game without spending money.
Your assumption is misleading. And also unrelated to the topic.
Can we go back to the topic and stop this useless dictionary discussion?
Except it’s not, as the CONTEXT was that SP that cost you time to acquire are not free.
That’s why people claiming “SP are free because they cost you only time, omega is free because it costs you only time” are plain liars.
Surprise surprise, Gerard Amatin pretends it’s out of context while being himself out of context, then proceeds to make stupid comparison and deduce stupid idea.
Has it ever happened before ?? (yes, it happens all the time)
Are you pretending RMT does not exist ??
Right back at you and your false context .
You copied me!
I’m flattered.
No this wasnt the context xD … read again ans maybe you will notice
Always incredible to see that youwill turn everthing around to your narrative… he was right and youre wrong
Btw … its always you who turn a thread into completly offtopic xD and then claim that other ppl are liars … your like a bad politician …