Show me where CCP promises that your in game income stream is going to remain constant for your entire play time.
No one’s been mislead. People are just way too entitled.
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Nobody gets mislead… CCP said they are updating their product and this can result in changes ! If your just not able to inform you correct ( which is in this case not that hard ) then its all your fault !
Show me where someone made such a claim.
If the game was sold with an activity, and that this activity is removed, then the product sold is not what was advertised.
When the activity sold is no more viable because it puts you at a loss, it’s the same. Effectively removing a feature is the same as physically removing in, regarding sales. That’s why those claims “but it’s still present in the game” are plain stupid : Being still in the game does not make it still usable.
The distinguo is not about the existence of the activity, but instead about the ability for the client to perform this activity with a sensibly equivalent result. If you keep mining but you remove all the ores (so that you mine nothing), the activity is still physically present but logically removed.
If the game NEEDS you to skill for months before you can actually do that activity, and that activity is effectively removed once you finish your skilling, you paid several month for a feature that was not delivered to you.
Here the issue is the entry cost of an activity ; not that other people can do it afterwards.
Claiming this is not a problem because “other people can do it” is plain BS. It’s a completely stupid argument : without a logic from the premise to the conclusion.
So yes, it’s expected that when CCP changes an activity to a point it’s not economically viable to do that activity anymore, which is the effective removal of that activity, they reimburse the entry cost of that activity, that is at least the skill points required for it.
Now the issue is that such SP may be also used for other activities : you don’t want to reimburse people for the effective removal of an activity that they did not invest into.
For example, drone interface is required for efficient rorqual, but also for any fighter or drone based ship.
And yes, for most cases we don’t care, a few days is nothing. But for caps where the SP cost is in month, yes it does matter.
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But you dont buy the game ! This is for free ! you didnt even need to pay to play if ! Its absolutley for free… you just pay if you want to have an omega account ! So… your actual claim is complete nonsense like expected
Nonsense. Nothing is free, not even the air you breathe.
There is a calculation the OP might consider doing, my numbers are significantly out of date but take a look at isk per SP comparing injectors to Master at arms drugs (cant remmeber the proper name for it)
Basically at a certain point its cheaper per sp to be using the MAA than using injectors.
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then tell me how much do you need to pay to play eve 
its quite easy to see that you can play this game for free because all of the voluntarily paying ppl enable it !
Here, all the prices are in evidence on that website 
You’re welcome.
I guess you don’t know what “free” means. The way you write I can tell English isn’t your first language. We’ll revisit the point when you’ve improved in that department.
Have a nice day.
You can very easily play this game without spending a dime. Ccp encourages the items in the store for a “bump up”
None of my alpha alts have had any money spent on them. They do what they are trained to do.
Buying anything from the store isnt a requirement so yes you can play this game for free without paying a cent to ccp
Alpha state is an indefinite and limited trial. It’s the little bits they offer you to eat in the grocery store to showcase a product.
The full game is played on Omega state.
The very existence of Alpha clone state proves that the game isn’t “free”.
FIY, I’m only pointing to the differences between the two clone states, I am not lamenting the fact that EVE isn’t free. As I said before, nothing is free.
I get what you are saying. But one does not have to be omega if they choose not to. You can still do just about any activity with the 20 mil SP alphas have available. Notice i said just about. There are some activities locked behind omega but outside of that its not a requirement if you play casually
I been playing since 2011 before there were such things as alphas. Believe me i understand the difference. Most people with basic understanding of online games understand the difference. Idk why you are being so argumentive over it.
Besides this whole argument over free vs paid is off topic. What the OP wants is already available
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Thank you.
I understand. It’s exactly the “but” that makes EVE not “free to play”. It’s either Free or it isn’t.
20k SP is a fraction of 400M. Half a game isn’t a full game.
It isn’t “Free to Play Half-a-Game” is it? I’m fine with it though. It still entertains me. I have humble goals that match my abilities/IQ, I’m not hungry for power or prestige, I play to be entertained and it’s a good game, even if I have to only play half of it.
thats absolutley correct !
the word “free” means for example “without spending some money” … and if you want you can exactly do THIS !
i know the word “free” can have a lot more definitions but this is not important in this case !
and still this is a point you can reach without money … so you CAN play this game for FREE ! yo never have to spend any $ or € or CHF or any other real life currency to play this game !
yes it is ! not the best prove but it is ! they are still playing this game and didnt spend any insert your favorite currency in here
so then i will quote you something you write, which said exactly the opposite
youre completly right if you take this on a philosophical level … but that wasnt the point ! it was always meant that you can play it without spending any “Money”
yes it is a “free to play” game oO everyone who pays real money for it just do it because they dont want to spend that much time into this game to get their sub payed with the ingame currency … and still free to play if you only take alphas to debate !
free to play = dont spend money to play !
its never meant to play the complete game ! playing is playing dont care how much of the game you can play ! and in eve you can play a lot of this game !
You can still become Omega without paying
If you need to farm, then it’s not free.
Also the fact that you CAN farm for it does not make it free.
The fact that you need to provide something with a value is what makes it non-free. Money is just one way to represent value. Time is another. Investment yet another. Etc.
thats calles playing the game and this you do because you like the game and then its not a payment because you get something !
and btw … its still for free because → No Money = Free to Play thats exactly the definition !
with this statement there are no free to play games on market oO and this makes no sense …
time within work is a value you need to pay ! but time with your hobby is no value you have to pay its something you get … realy bad youre not able to understand this
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Sure mate, keep claiming that ore you mine yourself is free.
this is absolutley out of context and you know its
you still cant accept that eve is a free to play
btw … your again going more offtopic