Alphas who want to play for free get what they get. You suond angry and a terribad prober, try harder.
I get everything LOL. I see why you’re all pissy now.
You just hate that I can teach other alphas to compete against your massive sp.
Envy is one of the 7 sins, bro.
I do not think, I know that I am cool with my 13 years of experience because I P icecubes.
There’s a way for Alphas to steal all of it 
Alternatively you could follow the signature as normal until you get to the maximum percentage available at .25au, then use CTRL+Scroll to pull your probe formation in that much tighter. It doesn’t produce a huge scan strength bonus but it’s often enough to nudge the signature into green.
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Obligatory Note - technique refers to your personal ability to do something, juxtapose your skill levels which makes it easier to have no technique, like an Omega.
Thanks for the contribution, it seems a lot of people get stuck at higher % so that probably works great.
At my low-end kit, lvl IVs get stuck around 10% (original to the post), so this technique blows past the tighter sig, because you can’t even get close to the .25AU.
WIth that kind of low-signal, you are lucky to get past 8AU, which is also why I selected that arbitrary value.
The Omegas up above didn’t seem to understand these basics…-shrugs-.
But, the idea is to break through that % wall so you can tighten the AU even more, if you’re already at .25AU then what you said is super valid.
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You realize talking percentages is worthless without saying what your probe strength is?
You could either be terrible at scanning or good (we don’t know), but if you open up the info on your probes fit to your ship you can give us an actual actionable number we can use to recreate your scenario.
The fact that everyone can position their 8 probes anywhere in 3 dimensional space they want opens up a lot of variables to consider when talking about good technique.
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My 680k Imicus was something like 60-62. Right now off top my head pretty sure I have 76 in a sisters fit T1
Now that raised an interesting prospect.
Here is an old discussion about Probe Strength
I will challenge that you can scan ANYTHING at any power level. Based on the observed facts so far.
So if you think a ship is unscannable without enough scan strength then let’s test it?
I will challenge that you can scan ANYTHING at any power level.
You realize there are level 5 sites, right?
The Braindead way of scanning them (aka default pinpoint formation) says you need 113 (or so) probe strength. But I have a custom formation that can get them with ~100. Despite all my efforts my exploration-ceptor with its 79 scan strength cannot scan a lvl 5 site but i use it to attempt to refine my probe formation if I’m bored and find one.
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man
honestly
you are quite new to this game, so don’t behave as if you know everythg. And you should be aware that most of what you say everywhere on this forum has been already tested by hundreds of explos in the past
i am quite sure that you never tried to scan a superior sleeper cache
so yes, by moving your probes, you can gain a small percentage when you are already stuck at less than 100% despite 0.25UA and ctrl + scroll. I also suggest to switch from the pinpoint formation to another one. But, no, there are some sites that YOU CANNOT scan with low level skills and unbonused ship. Believe us
So i challenge that you CANNOT scan a superior sleeper cache (nor a standard). I am not even sure that you can scan a crystal quarry relic site with low level skills
You’re right. What is it 110 or 113 needed? I capped out at about 84% on a standard sleeper at 76power lvl.
As an Alpha with Alpha-maxed scanning skills, usually scanning with a Scan Strength in the 80s, I feel fairly objective in saying that you’re being willfully idiotic here. Your 5-minute scanning method is a useless waste of time, especially since it’s common knowledge that no amount of strategy or technique can override the hard-coded limits built around scan power. The well-documented minimum scan power to scan down a T5 signature, for example, even if you’re futzing with your formation, is ~104. It’s mechanically impossible, no matter how precise you are, to scan a T5 signature down with a Scan Strength more than a point or two lower.
A Scan Power in the mid-high 80s can scan down any T4 or lower, though you may have to futz around with it a bit on the T4s.
Oh, and to be EXTREMELY CLEAR, let me repeat: This absolutely braindead “Futz around at 8AU” strategy is actively counterproductive. You will gain more %, much faster and with much less headache, by futzing around when you scan the damn thing down to 1AU or lower, preferably all the way down to 0.25AU. If you cannot get lower than 8AU, either you actually can but you don’t know what you’re doing, or you have done something horrifically wrong, and either you need to put more training time into your scanning skills, or you need to shell out the… less than 200k credits, which is ■■■■■■■ pocket change… necessary to fit two Gravity Capacitor Upgrade 1 rigs and a Scan Rangefinding Array 1.
Outside of an Astero, you’re only going to get about 92 power from two gravity capacitors T1 and a Scan Rangefinding and sisters’ launcher. Which is a 30mil kit (not including ship cost) for probably not able to do Lvl4 and likely not do Lvl5.
To get close to 100 (I think it caps at 97) you need the astero. Doubling up on Rangefinding might get you to that 100, but you’ll have almost no medium slots for anything else. As an Alpha that’s a hard pill to swallow, it’s not particularly expensive, but what’s the point? Can’t use cloak, can’t necessarily fight the hostiles…so not sure this is a profitable route.
That is even if you can stack the rangefinder, because I didn’t bother actually fitting it and the fitting simulator doesn’t tell you what you can or can’t stack (such as with rigs).
Now we got all of that out of the way again, you can scan Lvl4s with the Astero at Alpha-skill levels, but not sure what use that is because most/all seem hostile.
As for level V, not fully tested, it says you need about 110power, but maybe not really. Maybe a 100 power can get it.
You can scan L4s in a normal Empire Exploration ship. You don’t need a fancy probe launcher, or a goddamn Astero- the 200k investment into the rigs and Rangefinder will get you there as an Alpha, if you’ve trained your skills as high as you can.
If that’s not enough, and since i’ve done it before, I can comfortably say that’s enough, just invest in a set of SoE probes- they’ll cost a tenth of the SoE Launcher’s price and they’ll still give you all the edge you need to scan down an L4 Signature.
Let me be clear, however: As an Alpha, you probably should not be doing L5 sites. Superior Sleeper Caches are quite the beast, after all, and to clear them you will either need significant time and patience, or significant help. If you don’t have that help, like the kind who can scan the site down for you and show you the ropes, your time will probably be better spent doing Relic & Data sites as normal.
Only if you can scan a lvl 4 at about 92/94 points? If so then I’ll refit because that was something I didn’t want to experiment with last night.
87 points isn’t enough.
The rangefinder is the last part of the kit you mentioned, other than a sisters launcher. And that gets me to 89 power (+2 per rangefinder).
This is with scanning skills to max except for the time skill, which if “shorter scans” = more power then that’s something I haven’t considered.
Look, I don’t really know the mechanics of it all. All I know is what I, personally, have done, and I’m pretty certain I could scan L4 Sigs with ~84-88 scan power, if even that much, in my Imicus. Believe or don’t, I think I’ve done it.
I don’t disbelieve, it might confirm my suspicion that each Level has a range.
Because I haven’t beaten some Level 4s, but I think I have popped some others, and I know I’m at 87 power right now.
I also feel like some level IIIs I’ve ran are hard, and some are easier, for instance.
So there might be a range within each level of difficulty of how difficult it actually is.
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