CCP and the Driffters

Use contracts…end of story…

Doesn’t work. Not at a public level.

Yamaguchi Enterprises contracts to sell 10,000 units publicly. I don’t have to buy from you, that is true. Especially as I only want 5,000 units.

However, if I contract to buy 5,000 units, you can fill the order and I can’t stop you. Just as if I contract to sell 5,000 units, you can purchase from me and I can’t stop you.

Contracts still gives me far less choice in who I trade with than I would wish.

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I see…seems like a good thing though as it would be very easy to abuse a “do not sell to” list…plus go against the concept of a public market…

BTW I disagree with you but I also agree with some points…more later…

It’s not Imperium’s fault that from the hundreds of structures we burned down we got like 5%-10% form-up response fleets from NorthernCoalition and PandemicHorde. They didn’t even come to their Keepstars. We wanted to get fights, do you think it’s fun bashing all those structures without any intervention?

You’re no fun to fight, so we might as well just ignore you.

Null sec tears = best tears

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CCP and the Drifters! Sounds like a really cool band name! when are they playing and where?

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Drifter titans inc. CCPlz

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More Titans?

You kids

Theyre back attacking players in anoms and it’s wonderful .

And null moving to HS to pick on the residents there. Fun fun till…

I can’t believe that I sat here and read all of this in its entirety…

TLDR:
Neither side can say much, if anything, about the other. If you’ve not played in the null meta lately, you won’t understand the null mindset. If you’ve not played in the high-sec meta lately, you also won’t understand the high-sec mindset. :man_shrugging:

Non-TLDR:
Suffice it to say that I left high sec for null for a very specific reason. I don’t much like PvE, but even having moved there, I found that PvE is essential to an extent to afford ships that get used in PvP fleets in null. If I want random rats to appear, I go mine. If I want to find rats, I go to havens. If I want difficult PvE scenarios with rats, I wait for and/or buy an escelation (10/10 sites) that I can finish in under an hour. In all of these cases, I get to determine what PVE I participate in. And, god-forbid, I could even do Incursions if I chose to do so.

Drifters in null sec do not give you a choice…other than to dock up.

Personally, even if I had two Sh!t$ to give regarding this Drifter garbage, I still wouldn’t give them…because this whole scenario literally is garbage. The balance of the Drifter ships I’m seeing in nullsec when compared to player ships is way off. They are stronger than incursion ships, and there is no warning, no way to dscan, no way to probe down, no way to defend…case in point being when six Faxes could barely keep up on repping a Hel that got dropped on by a small gang of Drifters. Sure, it probably was a $h!t fit ratting Hel, but c’mon. To top it off, there’s no loot, and salvage on them is pennies compared to other PvE content available in null. But at least in PvP you scan people down, warp to them, use transversal, actually take advantage of tactics in combat unlike this, “Surprise, you’re dead!” garbage that is taking place in null sec.

I know some of you high-sec folks are cheering for stuff like that, but seriously, people in null sec kill/attempt to kill each other on the daily…and that is part of the expectation of a person living in null sec. An NPC AI spawning forced PvE content does not appeal to me, nor does it appeal to a majority (small, large or otherwise), of null players in the least. Hell, it isn’t even so much the PvP wars as it is the player interaction during those wars that makes the game interesting to me. The bottom line is this: I want to fight other players, not some god-forsaken AI. It’s the same reason I play chess on a real board with a person sitting across from me rather than sitting at a computer on chess.com playing the computer all day long.

I’ll let y’all know if/when I decide to fire-sale all my stuff. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Like dude said, you do not have to play the game if you no longer enjoy it. I could use the 11 bucks a month to pay off my house quicker.

:v: DEUCES!

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I wish for some large Alliance to come blow up Hog Hitman soon.

Organize it yourself! (not said in a dick way)

There are a ton of options right now for people to contact and organize corps to go against the big “bullies” of HS…ally-up for free and go timer hunting! PIRAT is basically begging people to do that…

I can’t believe I sat here and read your wall of text.

When you undock in Eve, you’re consenting to interact with the game environment, whatever that may be.

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i play eve for PLAYER interaction. most pve has ways of DRIVING PLAYER INTERACTION. not drifters. they’s literally the opposite of what eve is supposed to be. eve is mostly supposed to be risk vs reward. drifters are really missing half that equation, while going almost all out on the other.

it’s not “fun” it’s not content. it’s simply a nuisance, and frankly, something that really is going to push null players towards other games.

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I love that most of the tears are from lazy null carebears who are crying about “omg, what do you mean we need to actually defend the hundreds of structures we never use!”

Like the old adage goes, adapt or die. It’s funny how so many null carebears would use that phrase towards highsecers and wormholers alike. And now that something is happening that scares their sprawling sandcastles, suddenly it’s unfair and they’re threatening the end of EVE.

Y’all need to stop crying and get over it. EVE needed a shake up, everyone agreed and you finally got the shake up you wanted. Who knows what CCP’s actual intentions are with these aggressive Drifters. All I know is that I’m loving the salt flow from every single corner of the universe.

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says the guy that’s probably never left the safety net of concord hisec.

this is something we are adapting to, but it’s changing the meta for the worse. also, “structures you never use”? excuse me? there’s probably 5-6k players online in delve at any given time. we have structures that we base out of, critical locations that we use other structures to help defend, plus backups for said structures. we also have market and living structures out in the rest of the region. there’s also the production structures, spread out to avoid the system use tax. you have moon frackers, ore refineries, etc. all have to be fit and fueled. we’re not going to expend extra isk for structures we’re not going to use.

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Oh no, you now have upkeep and maintenance requirements. THIS IS THE END OF EVE ONLINE! Better take it out on unrelated highsec players and start an embargo because you little sandcastle got shook, lmao.

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You really don’t get why they are pissed do you. THAT is shocking but not surprising.

Maintaining or defending structures is not it BTW…think harder.

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