CCP hands over FREE Faction Citadels to Powerbloc Leadership after Outpost Conversion

By that logic, UNITY station should never have existed because CCP made the developer-based decision to create nullsov?

CCP makes high-level grand changes that allow players to do what they will.

What they don’t do (or at least try VERY hard not to do) is small changes that guide players in a specific direction. While it’s obvious that nullbloc groups will do all they can to hoard these stations, that alone poses the interesting question of how they’ll decide to share amongst each other… because honestly, I couldn’t reliably guess about whether there were backroom deals, or whether the nullblocs are planning last minute shenanigans.

Never forget that nullsov is literally meant for big groups to go stomp on each other’s sandcastles. This isn’t NPC null, it’s not LS. It’s nullsov. The only rule is that there are no rules. This has been the case since forever.

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Although I hate to double post… this really made me laugh.

They didn’t “get a 14.5T ISK injection”:

  1. CCP will be gifting the forts to the station holders. If it’s really worth that much, go ahead and put together your own powerbloc to take it back from them. What they are not doing is gifting it to the powerblocs. The powerblocs are simply taking them, because they can. It’s nothing personal, it’s just Eve.
  2. You’re conflating reprocessed resources with ISK. Yes, it means they don’t have to spend their own isk but it’s not injecting isk anywhere. No wallet balances will magically go up by 14.5T ISK.
  3. Them converting these forts to keeps would be fantastic. The last thing we need is more clutter in space. Keeps still die, you just can’t be what you are now: weaker than they are.
  4. Don’t hate the game, hate the players. Players took your stuff and you aren’t big enough to take it back. What are you going to do about it? Cry in the forums that their group is bigger and tougher than yours and it’s just not fair? There’s a place for that kind of player… many places actually. Common places include Azeroth, Middle Earth, and Tatooine (had to pick one).

I think its very hard to argue this change does not strongly favor bigger blocs.

Its a CCP sanctioned “land-grab”.

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Thank you for getting it right.

@ OP

easiest solution evah: join the powerblock

problem solved…

I think it’s hard to argue that any change does not strongly benefit bigger blocs. Think about it. Literally the only change that does not benefit them more than you is something that makes bigger groups less effective… and the odds of CCP ever doing that (when their marketing dept can say “we had 6000 people in one fight” - yes, I know lag) are slim to none.

Think about it. If they buff a hull, the powerbloc can use it too. If they nerf an OP meta, the powerbloc gets nerfed too. They aren’t some “different entity”. They’re just a bigger group of players. And at the end of the day:

:musical_note: anything you can do they can do better, they can do anything better than you :musical_note:

You might call it a CCP-sanctioned land-grab. You might be right, for the sole reason that it’s easy to see that the powerblocs will want the shiny stuff. Just like any other player or group of players would.

Me, I call it sanctioned conflict drivers. Yea, they steamrolled the smaller groups… but that’s Eve. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with them steamrolling other groups and taking their shiny stuff. In point of fact, it’s the desired outcome.

The smaller groups simply didn’t have what it took to hold their stuff. Ergo they do not deserve it.

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Except its only happening because CCP artificially changed the rules of the sandbox.

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What rule is that? The only “constant” that I can recall which is even remotely relevant was that the stations were supposed to be forever. Never the less, that’s not a rule that has changed.

A rule changing would be something like the recent jump fatigue changes. THOSE were a rule change. A fantastic one at that.

None the less, lets pretend that was a rule.

  1. Did they change the rule only for nullblocs, or did they change it for everyone? If the “rule” you speak of changed for everyone, it’s just as fair as it was before. That said, Eve isn’t supposed to be fair anyways.
  2. Did you know about it well in advance, the same as them? Yes, you did. Or at least, the information was made available to you at the same time as them. Once again, no favoritism, nor a rule change that unfairly benefits nullblocs.
  3. What is stopping you from taking a station for yourself? I’ll caution you, “they’re too strong” isn’t a legitimate excuse. It’s nullsov, they’re supposed to be too strong. That means they deserve the space, the stuff in it, etc etc.
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Can someone tell me if Providence, as a whole, actually tried to defend “their” ■■■■?

■■■■ the self entitled little guys.

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OP, a couple things

1, I’m sorry you’re the little guy. But you need to understand that any time there’s a big group, and a little group, the big group will likely win. And why shouldn’t they? They worked harder, building a successful alliance model that works.

2, if you don’t like the decisions that CSM is making, quit electing PowerBloc. Can you name for me 3 non-powerbloc candidates we should vote for instead? Complain all you want, but unless you provide an alternative, you’re just being an unhelpful nag.

As I mentioned in different posts above, only some of these Faction Fortizars will be defended where it is needed, while others will be unanchored, sold, reprocessed. It depends by actual requirements of controlling ‘em Alliances. Everybody will try to keep online Marginis and Moreau Fortizars, while others can be replaced by Keepstars, Sotyios, Tataras. It’s very possible that only 2 or 3 Keepstars will be constructed from them. In well defended SoV, looks like, normal Fortizars will be anchored to keep online Faction, to align this with Alliance balance. The deal is next. These Faction Fortizars will be targets for attackers, so they must be kept ‘online’. This is expensive and will raise prices on fuel, which will turn into – the defense of Powerblocs will cost much more, which isn’t good. So, everybody will try to act differently to set the things under manageable environment. This is an aspect of patch changes speculations, described into 101 things to do in EVE.

Following your concept, CCP should grant another set of T2 BPO to hardcore industrialists, Sleeper Sites must drop T3 BPC for explorers, NPC pirates should give a faction ship for every successful suicide/gate gank to respective pilots. Why? Because they are good at it and they can!

Did you hear about Capital and Capitalism?

Official version

In economics, capital consists of anything that can enhance a person’s power to perform economically useful work. Capital goods, real capital, or capital assets are already-produced, durable goods or any non-financial asset that is used in production of goods or services.

Adam Smith defines capital as “That part of a man’s stock which he expects to afford him revenue”.

In EVE we have the wallet, which contains money ISK only, and Net Worth, which contains the money and assets cost in ISK total. Net Worth is the EVE Capital.

Did you hear about Market liquidity?

In business, economics or investment, market liquidity is a market’s feature whereby an individual or firm can quickly purchase or sell an asset without causing a drastic change in the asset’s price. Liquidity is about how big the trade-off is between the speed of the sale and the price it can be sold for. In a liquid market, the trade-off is mild: selling quickly will not reduce the price much. In a relatively illiquid market, selling it quickly will require cutting its price by some amount. Liquidity can be measured either based on trade volume relative to shares outstanding or based on the bid-ask spread or transactions costs of trading.

Money, or cash, is the most liquid asset, because it can be “sold” for goods and services instantly with no loss of value. There is no wait for a suitable buyer of the cash. There is no trade-off between speed and value. It can be used immediately to perform economic actions like buying, selling, or paying debt, meeting immediate wants and needs.

The liquidity of assets in EVE (rough variant):

  • ISK;
  • PLEX;
  • Charges;
  • Weapons;
  • Modules and Components;
  • Ships from Small to Large and from T1 to T2/Faction;
  • Capital ships;
  • Normal Citadels;
  • Titans;
  • Keepstars;
  • Outposts;
  • Palatine Keepstar.

Aka, Outposts were very none liquid assets in EVE, designed to support its functions in SoV changes. Only the strongest Alliance at this moment can control ‘em. Palatine Keepstar, being a CCP joke, is the most none liquid asset in EVE because nobody will sell it, or nobody will buy it ever (excluding some possible stupid RMT). So, last/this year CCP decided to move Outpost from low ‘liquidity’ stance to high liquidity, where they can be sold and bough at good prices and not only.

BTW, the big ISK in EVE should be stored in Tritanium or other cheap ores. Just because it’s not affected by inflation. Few years ago, the PLEX was 500M and now it costs 3B. Having 10Tpcs Tritanium in hangars, means that you can have 10Tx5.27ISK = 50.27T ISK in 2018. And why minerals are better than compressed ore? Because stuff is built from minerals, which are processed from Ore. Reprocess operations are volatile in EVE and can change from patch to patch from CSM to CSM. Let’s say, having 10T Veldspar (10Tx 17.94ISK = 170.94T ISK) in hangars, doesn’t means that in 2020 you’ll have the same Capital, because in 2019 the CCP can implement huge Reprocess nerfs. To nerf or remove Tritanium from game will turn into ‘game breaking avalanche’. This is how the patch speculations works.

I don’t hate none of them. I’m through discussing about things which, aren’t good for the game. On this character I’m doing the hardest PVE content possible currently, like burning missions in Low-Sec and so on. Due to DC and after a voltage surge (the voltage relay disconnected the house from the mains for 10 sec), I lost two Gilas. The funny moments are that, after voltage surge, the Win 10 began an update process for 10 mins while my passive Gila is fighting vs the Burner Ashimu, there alone. These cases and many others, which were losts worth in billions total, weren’t the reasons for me to open threads, tickets and so on.

Finally

Here’s the EVE Song of 2018

Pity I am on holiday for part of this, but …

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The game starts? :rofl:

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But CCP didnt want to only transform outposts to citadels. They wanted to give powerblocks free isk and some extra fun taking stations. CCP Falcon admitting he plays EVE in powerblock alliance is even more ridiculous.

No one got free ISK. Everyone got the same chance at claiming this outpost before they turn into citadels.

It seems to me the people who cry about the powerblock here are the ones asking for free handouts because they are unwilling to fight for it.

No they didn’t…

There’s no way in hell a small 20/50 man corp stands a cat in hells chance of taking and holding an outpost against the blocs, stop with the stupid troll comments.

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So, what you are saying is that a smaller group will have problems against a larger one? That’s how it’s always been, in all parts of Eve.

As it should be.

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Much Salt. YASS!!!