CCP is at it again V2: Big Money Edition

Yes but you should know it’s never enough for corporations businesses and such. MORE is better.

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Unfortunately the reverse is actually true, lots of casuals and whales will jump at the chance to earn some extra ISK by being introduced to the MTX packages, nothing surprising there, its how pretty much all mobile games work, just go ask Supercell Games

CCP creates demand. Then they sell you something to cover it.

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That’s not the issue here at all.

The issue is this ad only appears as a targeted popup in game for new players, and instead of ingraining the concept of “ships are disposal go have fun” it attaches a monetary value to ship losses that new players have little context for.

It instead says “oi, lost a frigate? drop a 5 and get it back!” and therefore attaches what most people will see as a literal high monetary value to ship loss that will turn new players OFF to the game, not on, because it makes the game feel VERY pay-2-win.

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While I agree with the overall idea you are presenting, I disagree with “most people will see as a literal high monetary value to ship loss”.

In the world of live service, loot box, and mini DLC in most every non indy game on the market, a fiver is next to nothing. To anyone under thirty this is just part of the game and they’d be surprised if it wasn’t there. It will be accepted and used without a second thought.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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It points out that there are ways to circumvent a loss by throwing money at it, which has been the case for a long time, this is just them appealing more to the mobile friendly players they are now trying to attract as those are the money makers

Its no more pay to win than it always was, its not like this is a new concept, and like i said, the players CCP are actually trying to appeal to, the candy crushers and the gacha spinners, are likely to spend money, which is ultimately what they and PA wants, EVE as we knew it has been dead for a long time :slight_smile:

Do i like it? no, but i accept this is the new reality and that its just a game we are playing until it gets to the point they really do something to annoy us at which point we leave

I can’t say I disagree with the last part of your post. Sad, but an honest assessment.

While I don’t disagree with the thrust of what you’re saying, it 100% poisons the well over time. It’s a clear shift towards bilking new players and milking them for quick cash, which will deteriorate the player base over time, not grow it.

We see this time and again, particularly with Pearl Abyss titles. The well always dries up.

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I don’t mind that CCP is selling PLEX, but advertising PLEX sales to a new player right when they have lost their first ship?

That is going to scare away players.

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I can understand that they need to make money to thrive as a company but if they try to get 10 million (not concurrent ) people playing eve then they don’t have to milk us at all.

I mean they recently changed Blue print’s so that ships cost 6x more which is just silly the change for the new building parts are fine but they seriously need to lower the amount needed to build ships otherwise no one is going to farm all that up and will just think the time investment to play eve is just too high and buying huge amounts of plex every month is not sustainable expecially when there is a pandemic and a lot of us have had to take pay cuts just to stay employed.

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They been scaring players away for years. Nothing new there.

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There are multiple ways to scare away players.

Advertising PLEX to players who just lost their first ship, rather than telling them how they can come back from ship loss with ingame means is malicious.

New players who have lost their ship could use some tips on how to get their ship back with ingame means. Then if they enjoy that gameplay (spending time to get ship, losing ship, spending time to get new ship, another explosion, etc) they can be motivated to support the game and their gameplay by using PLEX. If buying PLEX to replace lost ships is encouraged from the very start, those new players will never learn the basic EVE cycle of ship loss, as it won’t be an ingame wallet hit for them, but a real-life wallet hit.

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That is pretty horrific! New player loses a ship and first thing they’re presented with is an ad!? That’s an awful way to hold onto new players. Instantly wanting to squeeze money out of them.

Shouldn’t they, how about be met by Aura’s voice and image explaining about ship loss and how its part of every day life in New Eden and with time the player becomes better at keeping their ship alive?

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An SRP for noobs? Like it or not, it’s going to retain new players.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Yep. I entirely agree with you.

BTW, I like your posts a lot. You’re one of the few posters here with a clear head and good arguments.

An ad worthy of the darkest side of business in Jita, the Bonus Room. Seriously. This is outrageous

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It is. Their deals are bordering on scams.

I also like your posts, even though I don’t heart them. I reserve my hearts for my good friends. o7

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Oh i don’t disagree, it leads to a dead game rather rapidly, its why a lot of the cash grab games don’t generally live that long unless they are from massive names

Yup, its why there are basically “gacha kits” out there, you just replace the generic images with whatever you’re trying to sell and rinse and repeat, they are the easiest games to make once you have a framework for them, especially if you can somehow grab a decently sized IP to slap on top of them

I’m not going to say this won’t lead to a slow painful death for EVE because it will, and we kind of knew it was coming when PA entered the picture, as someone who has been around since 2004 its disappointing to see for sure, but at this point i’m not just getting used to everything i used to play being milked and discarded, i don’t enjoy seeing it happen but alas :frowning:

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It might retain some of them. It will scare away others.

I don’t mind paying for games I like. But I don’t like games that mix payments with gameplay. A subscription model is fine, selling character cosmetics (or ship skins in EVE’s case) for outrageous prices is fine. But when base gameplay choices are impacted by advertisements and payments, that’s where I draw the line. And a PLEX advertisement to newbies who just lost their first ship is across that line.

Thanks Sally.

This new deal isn’t even bordering a scam though, if you were interested in buying those things separately anyway (plex, MCT + omega time) you’re getting better value + skins, SP and accelerator if you buy the package.

CCP trying to recoup that 200million PA did not pay them is that why all these packs are inundating the game?

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thank you

or are at the very least unconscionable. And the fact that they do it repeatedly shows that it is a chosen, long-term strategy.

The saddest part is that it is the complete opposite of how to play the game successfully, but something one would advertise for a quick consumption, short lived ftp game. Eve, until further notice, is neither. Dear CCP, you’re shooting yourself in the foot.

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