Did it, awesome … can you buy it multiple times ?
When CCP gonna REALLY do something for new players ? skills points don’t mean anything at this state of EvE the only thing that create it’s frustration
even if you play everyday known everything about Eve you will never be as usefull than a veteran even if it’s a total idiot that’s really really frustating and seeing CCP believe selling “starter pack” and a “healthy - skill injector” (a newbro can’t buy anyway) pretending that’s for newplayer make me sick
just do something
in Eve you are considered as an new player even after 1year you don’t think THAT’s the problem ?
I have to accept that I can’t use the booster as it’s only for characters < 35 days
You don’t have an alt that can use it? Or a newbro in your corp? Drop it in a can at the sun and let newbros fight for it?
I fail to see how this pack is such a terrible thing, since we can already buy all the skillpoints we want off the market. Alongside that, didn’t all subbed accounts get 1 mil SP direct from the anniversary event? sure you had to log in just enough to claim the reward, but the backlash from that was not enough to get on my radar. Seems like old players are just being cranky this starter pack isn’t 100% exploitable.
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PCU stats are droping and now you take care about your playerbase? Dude please. Credibility is everything. CCP has none. You ■■■■ up everything since introducing SP trading. You are where you are today because of it. It is downward spiral now. We told you it will end badly, but greed is good, right?
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the truth is the selling and exchange of this SP was a major turning point in this game…and a point that many of us will measure as the first meaningful marker of the decline of a once fantastic game.
If you want feedback on SP - the pandora’s box is now open and I don’t expect things to change but eve was 1000x the game it is now prior to the p2w mechanics you guys have been implementing.
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That booster will be problematic, but the issue with SP sale was mostly that you gave too much SP CCP.
500-600k sp, given daily over 5-6d (so like 100k sp / day) would have been better, together with maybe some learning boosters/implants.
The idea is good, but it requires some fixing.
1 : the anniversary SP was a gift=FREE and everyone could get that
2 : when the game you created have a newplayer retention problem you just can’t solve that by creating a new monétization method THAT NOT HOW THIS WORK and prétending that’s for “helping” new players just make it worse, they don’t care about new players even their playerbase considering they added skill injector and ■■■■ when EVERYONE was against that
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I gotta be honest, I don’t think this is the “AHHH EVE IS DEAD” thing you guys are making it. Newbros can already inject up to the limit of their ability to buy plex. As I see it, this really does 2 things:
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Gives CCP a little extra income - come on folks, the way people are griping on here you’d think that CCP is just supposed to give us the game for free while we happily plex away our accounts. Folks gripe about every staff change at CCP, every team reorg, why can’t they hire more devs, whatever; then when somebody at CCP comes up with what is frankly not a terrible little package for small change for newbies folks crap the bed. Want to play this game at all? Maybe let CCP make a buck or two without having a stroke.
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Gives newbros just a little more investment in the game. Somebody made the analogy of getting a big check for a crappy job, but that’s wrong. This is somebody volunteering, nay, paying to do something fun that requires some education (and I’m not talking about SP, I’m talking about the curve). The extra SP (with some some guidance) may help with the fun part, but having paid something for it, even something trivial, gives it a cost that makes the player go “well, I paid for this, maybe I’ll hang in a week longer and see if I can find a good corp”, when you’ve got even a little skin in the game it’s going to help retention a little.
I get the intent here. Was it ham-handed and out of nowhere? Sure. Do I think SP ought to just be sold for real money? Eh, probably not, but maybe it’s worth having a drama-free discussion about it. Overall though, decent effort CCP.
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I personally think there ist a big difference. SP were handed out in this event to Players evenly. Everyone had a chance to participate. In this instance only the ones who spend even MORE than the sub recieve sp.
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oh and you know they will, all day and all night long, all week long, all month long, feck some of those armchair devs will go for it all year long and they always have the answer to fix everything 
it’s good to see a response to this and a fix being put in place and the honest frank answers to everyone is very much appreciated. it is strange though, you give people SP created from nothing and everyone screams hurray! 
and not a single complaint.
you sell them and out come the pitch forks 
i will say this though, i’ve met more than a few people who we’d consider vets (played over 10 years) who would blame their retirement from the game because it’s being made too easy, or not as harsh as it used to be or a little too easy to recover using wallet reps.
i still think many people look back with rose tinted glasses to be honest.
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Pandering to a CSM that has major power blocks interests in mind [and not the actual well being of the game] and the over monetization of the key features that made the game unique will be the two points I look back on as major turning points. #keepnotlistening to your mature and loyal player base.
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Yup. On the contrary, they literally have a track record of misrepresenting metrics to suit their own agenda, so this just reads like bullocks. cough 360m ticks cough
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Honestly, tie SP rewards to NPE content IF the main reason is to facilitate newbie retention and growth…
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And it is still totally and utterly intellectually bonkers to do that after your company promised a few years back that SP would only come from actual training and would not be available from thin air for just a few bucks.
Furthermore, it’s also completely and utterly intellectually bonkers to justify anything like this as “It’s a starter pack” when you again cannot make sure it will only get into the hands of EVE starters. You know for 15 years how well we use alts and yet you are here getting all worked up that we call you out on your quite amusing ignorant inability to see a black swan when it hits you in your tummy. We have seen so many black swans in the past 15 years and you just keep up the refusal to learn. You can use your hidden swearing words all you want but no one will stop calling you out for ignoring black swans.
Your internal metrics are useless. Utterly. They cannot even predict a black swan when any player you throw a dart at will tell you that is a black swan and you will get lots of flack for it. Your metrics cannot even reliably prevent bots that normal users can easily identify. Your metrics are like your logs when players want a compensation for your incompetence: They do not show anything.
Besides: You are contradicting yourself (and thus make yourself complicit): You say that “armchair developers” don’t have the full picture and have no internal metrics. I remember your company telling us what new players actually want and need a few years ago: more ready to use skills. I also remember that you told us back then that people were overwhelmed with the choices of skills and activities. And now you give them 1M unallocated skill points. You give this massive amount of free SP to overwhelmed new users who have no idea what to train and what to do. And you charge them extra. It looks to me that your company does not have a grasp of the metrics either. Whether deliberately or unwittingly is the real question. 
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And the absolutely best part about all of this,
is that they themselves caused this situation from the beginning.
None of this would have been necessary, if they hadn’t implemented changes that started griefing away all the older players back in 2013. The literal backbone of this game. Honestly, I think Hilmar is bathing in hubris.
The fact that CCP Falcon is doing Damage Control in here also speaks volumes, I think. Doing his job, yeah, but seriously … they’ve lost the game.
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All evidence suggests that the armchair devs work at CCP.
It is really weird that you’re buying into his damage control like this.
They definitely don’t have answers.
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Sadly true. If they actually knew how to read their metrics, they would have stopped following the path of the last 5 of so years that have been causing a hemorrhage of players, financial issues, dev cuts, and eventually the sellout. Practically any player could have told you exactly how these changes were going to end (and many did…repeatedly) but somehow they don’t see it. Pardon me if this isn’t proof that their metrics are either useless, or they have no idea how to interpret them.
What CCP doesn’t seem to get is that players liked EVE BECAUSE it was so different. It surely wasn’t because of the dev’s coding skill, or good decisions…it was because it was pretty much unique on the market and so attracted a niche but very loyal playerbase. In order to chase those greenbacks they’ve been destroying what made EVE unique to try to compete with the big boys…but they don’t seem to have the ideas or technical skills to compete in those markets for their players, and in doing so they’re chasing away the people that actually gave a crap about this game. It’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck and yelling WHYYYYYYYYYY.
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I’m having a hard time believing him, simply because there is zero reason to. Again, his job, is fine, but in the end is there zero evidence that they actually use any metrics at all. There is zero evidence of success. There is zero evidence they’ve managed to increase retention … well, they even provided evidence that they have no idea how to do it.
Plenty of evidence suggesting that they really have no ■■■■■■■ idea what they’re doing.
I’d not be surprised if the next expansion will be hard-core damage control, trying to save whatever they might manage to save … but I’d also not surprised if they’d just stubbornly keep working into the same direction, no matter what.
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Stop dropping that line. Instead of trying to guilt-trip us, get the sender of the message fired. Whoever that person within CCP is is toxic, not interested in the well-being of EVE and has no grasp of how EVE works. You can’t just keep dropping “Slow down, I’m just the messenger” when you keep delivering things that are not good for EVE. Maybe you should take the hint for a change and encourage some change within CCP so that the poor messenger doesn’t need to get tarred and feathered every time that other person screws up royally.
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