I didn’t watch the video, but it’s not rocket science to figure that out. Considering, though, that the average person can’t figure out jack ■■■■ all by himself, I guess that makes Olmeca, Pedro and me some of the smartest people around.
Sorry, I’m in a bad mood and it’s super hot.
What your metrics don’t show is the amount of times I’ve tried to get people to play Eve, but they won’t because it is P2W. Even when I do my best to defend the game and explain how this P2W system is different from other games, it doesn’t change the fact that Eve really is a P2W game now. Get rid of skills or something, I don’t know. It is just embarrassing to explain your business model to people that have never played.
Thank you for the reply, It is helpful, and will calm things down significantly.
Just a suggestion to pass on, if you wish to retain new players give them enough incentive and time to become engaged in EVE.
The biggest turn off is the realisation that they need to train for a significant time, not to be good, but just to not be totally hopeless.
Times have changed, customers have changed, and it is no longer acceptable for them to be crippled at birth.
Yes EVE is hard, but making them chew themselves out of a Kevlar sack to be born is simply unacceptable these days.
We were tough, the few, the 1% of the 1% who made it.
Solution all skills significantly boosted at start, engineering and weapons and navigation just below the requirement for T2.
Let new players, PLAY the game, from day 1.
See, that’s the thing here. You don’t even try to figure it out yourself. You need me to breast-feed it to you, because you can’t ■■■■■■■ think it through yourself. When I answer your question, all you will be doing is finding the next thing to ask me, because as long as you can not think things through yourself, you will always insist on knowing better.
Look at us.
I can talk endlessly about many things, for good reasons.
You can’t do that, apparently, also for good reasons.
You think you know better and I do.
I can back it up.
Can you?
Grats, I took the bait I guess.
Yes. It’s called “damage control”. In the end he’s marketing. Have you ever properly read the devblogs? Apparently they’re all going through the “marketing”-filter. Hey, you know what else is interesting?
Pedro is running forensic software on the forum and it found out that some CCP devs are apparently the same person. Well, in fact - i hope - they are not, but isn’t that interesting? It’s as if people are taught to write and act in specific ways because these ways make it easier to fool the customers. They probably have their own funny word for this. I don’t know. “Corporate Identity”, maybe. Marketing, in the end.
Yes, that shows up in the software! Amazing!
Anyhow …
One does not necessarily have anything to do with the other.
VHS was the inferior format, yet it won.
The DreamCast was the superior console with great games, yet it died.
The AMIGA was the superior platform in the 80s, yet the PC won.
They can make millions. They can improve exploration by removing exploration from exploration and they will notice that more people are doing crippled exploration, potentially making them more money.
The reason why your question sucks is because it does not take into account the time-frame. Most cash-grabs are super successful at the beginning, because that’s how they work. CCP dragged it out rreeeeaaaallllyyyyyy long, slowly replacing their target audience and slowly making sure more and more
cows donkeys enter the game.
I apologize to cows. I currently have no knowledge about the cognitive abilities of (animal) donkeys. Only (human) donkeys. It’s not much, but I digress.
Slowly. As written above. Many years. Plenty of time to come up with all kinds of things. Plenty of time to milk who is there. New players come in too and even though most don’t stay, it helps a little. Sometimes a huge batch comes in, thanks to some player driven marketing event in nullsec, which again helps.
Success is relative, yes, but for a product that’s supposed to last the only valid success is the long term success. Do you honestly believe the years post 2012, until now, were a success?
See, that’s the problem with the metrics!
It’s a success for their wallets,
but not for the game!
When the wallet counts more than the game,
then what does that make you,
the customer who’s supposed to play and enjoy the game?
Well, I’d seriously hate myself if I was more like most of the people around here.
I demand paragraphs.
I can. No one asks me. No one cares.
Everyone thinks they know better.
Do I know everything? Hell no.
Do I know enough about people and information gathering that I can figure out everything?
■■■■ yes!
Why don’t you too? It’s not rocket science. You only need the one perspective that truly matters, which is the perspective of the people doing the thing you want to understand. You start by copying the behaviour and thinking about it. What drives you. What makes them tick.
Here’s a hint: Once you know yourself, you eventually get to know everyone else too.
Hey, that’s perfectly fine. You do you. If you accept playing sub standard ■■■■■■■■, then by all means, that’s a-okay. Not everyone has standards. In fact most people don’t! Though, to be fair, they also have no idea, because they don’t know better!
This reminds me of that EVE player who started playing some other game with … some castle mechanics? … who got bored of the game, because, well, it wasn’t EVE. Just yet another generic game. A mobile game, iirc. So he did what someone with proper standards does. He destroyed all the significant competing guilds on the server from the inside, helped his guild reach the top spot on the server, then made sure the whole ■■■■■■■ server population migrates somewhere else. Something like that.
Hey, what were you saying about enjoying the mindless, thoughtless, zombie-esque crap some people like?
That’s fair. Can’t or don’t want to do that one thing, do something else. As long as there’s actually a choice, of course. Though that’s not gonna do too well when the choice is just an illusion and in reality all of the content is just mindless, scripted ■■■■■■■■ too easy for anyone who started playing videogames in the 80s wondering how … uh … cognitively challenged … people are nowadays.
I’d like to thank you for giving me the opportunity. It’s really helpful. I also appreciate the compliments. I know you’re not just a waste of time, like most other people around here, and I honestly appreciate the opportunity.
I apologize for my seemingly erratic way of responding, but … well … i’m not angry, but it’s hot.
30.1 degree Celsius here … and it’s night. Oh and in before some brain damaged person going insane over this post. Not to forget the usual asshole flagging it, because everything he can’t comprehend must be wrong and attacked. Oh, Hi Anderson! Just a coincidence. Sure. Just like me mentioning high functioning autists right now. Just a coincidence.
Hey, Aedaxus … did I mention that I demand paragraphs? This is what you get for not using paragraphs. I can swamp you too, but mine’s more readable.
Define “one time”, because they’ll do it again eventually. It screams “desperation”. It’s definitely worth the money, but it’s definitely not worth turning into a donkey hunting carrots. Remember, that’s what they’re doing.
They put carrots on a stick and search for donkeys. I guess there’s a difference between being aware that it’s donkey-mechanics and not. In the end, self awareness beats the opposite and statistically speaking it’s impossible that there aren’t any non-donkeys buying into it. I guess the correct approach towards this is: When it’s a rational decision, then you’re not a donkey. When it’s not, then you are.
Which raises the question: Are they aware of their lack of rationality? No! They can’t really be! If they were, they’d not be emotional! They’d be rational! They’d be thinking about their lack of rationality, turning the whole thing upside down!
Oh! Hey! Question! Totally not related to the above!
Why did you buy them?
As mentioned above: I appreciate the opportunity, your curiosity, your willingness and your interest. We could butt heads in real life! I don’t mind pain at all, though most people do. Sucks to be them.
I am calm. I just want to write all kinds of ■■■■ off of my chest. It’s this disgusting feeling of Hope, which I don’t like, because it’s kind of like “waiting for something to happen, which is outside of my control”. I think “Hope” is a concept invented by Disney.
Makes people dependent and stops them from looking at what’s important:
Taking the next step towards achieving your goal.
…
You deserve a reward …
… but …
… use your brain, my friend.
If I’d offer you to choose a value between 100 Million and 500 Million ISK,
how much would you want?
CCP deserve everything they get - 65k concurrent players online less than 4 years ago - less than 20k tonight - everything that needs to be said in these figures is evident - PA must actually now be realising they paid for a sinking ship and its now feeling like a Jita deal. My opinion doesn’t matter, but nothing CCP can do at this point will reverse the demise - CCP upper management deserve everything forthcoming and the judgement for why things went wrong under their watch.
As much as I like the use of data, I actually agree with this sentiment with where CCP currently is. We’ve seen presentation after presentation for the last 5-6 years now that show data analysis. It feels like the game has reached a point where the focus is on adjusting figures, rather than developing the game.
Sometimes, it’s worth stepping back and looking at the state of the game without the figures.
i was talking about the foolish on here that know little about the game but believe they know how to fix it all and there is a lot of them 
what else to do ? if he says that’s what it was then i can only take his word on it.
have to agree with you there, they do seem a little lost on how to get people and keep them.
skill injectors plex and a few other things have hurt EVE for sure, but let’s be honest some people just burn out, gaming in general is in deep shite if ya ask me, hard to convince people EVE isn’t P2W when they see EVE as just another game that allows players to pay cash to increase abilities or get rich fast. i’d be a liar if i didn’t say former players i played with for years no longer play because they feel EVE is now P2W.
curious man, are ya still active in game?
Hate to say it, but i think @CCP_Falcon should of thought his response out before posting.
All it did was the complete opposite of what i hope he was trying to do…
…or was it?
My bad, it’s too hot.
Let me tell you, my friend, I’m a rich Austrian cryptotrader and if YOU send me 100 euro I will double them within a week! You can take my word for it, because that’s what I’m telling you!
(fun fact: did that with a real life friend. these 100 bucks are worth double+ now)
Yes, yes it is. You’re absolutely right. People are being ■■■■■■. Ever since the industry realized that there’s idiots out there, who need to be treated in specific ways, because that gets them to shell out money … things changed considerably. Now, two decades later there’s a whole generation that has grown up with this ■■■■■■■■ and it’s never going to get better, because unspoiling children (or adultchilds) isn’t a thing.
Oh btw … Consider the “huge” amount of words as a wall protecting us from the dumb people.
Hey, I’m a STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN! GRRRRR 
This joke never gets old … in my brain at least. 
Seriously though …
Occasionally. Whenever Pedro had something to do for me, or wanted to do something, or when we wanted to check things out. Active, as in “daily active” I haven’t really been ever since CCP DESTROYED MY GAME BY MAKING PEOPLE STOP CHATTING IN LOCAL … oh, did I yell that … damn.
Tried several times. We both tried. Let me tell you, we’ve spent hours trying to get people to talk. We’ve also had a bit of fun. Shot NPC mining fleets. We’ve mined together too. Smarter, not harder though. Tried annoying whole fleets of undeccable pseudo botters in ice belts. Stolen freight cans. All kinds of things.
Gotta say, miners would have the best content in the whole ■■■■■■■ game if it wasn’t hogged by the most worthless people around. Hm … also went ganking. Set up shop in a high traffic system, but it’s kind of boring and the GCC is literally wrecking my mental health. Hm … what else. I once got ganked when he was escorting me, too. Loved that part. Being escorted by outlaws is fun.
Even tried Invasion content, or … well … visiting a system … but it’s boring. Okay, we didn’t try salvaging and stealing loot … that might have had been fun. I’ll ask him about it, though I can foresee the response.
Why do you ask?
Are you still active?
Got anything going that might be interesting?
Can I help you with something?
Hey, CCP? I get that you want to (and need to) make more money, but there are better ways of going about it than selling skill points for cash. You’ve already got something good going with the SKIN market, so maybe you could expand on that by taking a leaf out of Digital Extremes’ book?
You may or may not have heard of Warframe, but it’s one of the most popular free-to-play online action games in the world, and the devs figured out a way to get more revenue and fan participation via the Steam Workshop in a way that I think is utterly brilliant.
They created TennoGen.
A collection of community created cosmetic content (yay alliteration!) that are selected by Digital Extremes and subsequently implemented in the in-game market, TennoGen has been a boon to the game’s community as well as the company ledgers. The cosmetics can only be purchased with real money, and all revenue generated from these purchases is split between Digital Extremes and the creators of the TennoGen cosmetics.
It’s even helped drag one creator out of poverty!
I can’t play the game in open mode for ten minutes without seeing another player decked out in something made through TennoGen, and it’s completely impossible to visit one of the hubs like Fortuna or Cetus without seeing at least a dozen more! Some of these cosmetics are so astonishingly detailed it will make your jaws hit the floor, and many are considered objectively better than what DE has made themselves.
Please CCP, give fans the ability to create and submit SKINS of our own design that you can sell in your store. You won’t regret it.
I and probably many others enjoyed that post. I hope it opened some eyes,maybe even at CCP.
Why I bought the offer? I was informed of an opportunity that when I take for granted what is remains the same,would give me something I desire but not nessesarely need.
Here is another paragraph, I would rather have a belt of 100 million ISK in veldspar than 500 ISK sent directly to my wallet. I don’t need ISK, I just want to suck up belt after belt in sweet harmony.
still playing 
good stuff 
strong independant woman, hahahahahaha love it.
just heard the drifters are wrecking null? lol
another day in the madness. 
I mean, if what we’re griping about is pay-to-win, I’m sure no salty bittervet pirate ever has bought isk with cash and then turned it into a blingfit murder-cruiser and high-grade implants. Surely never happens.
or take out core skills and refund already trained on current pilots
@Valiran_Teleros Micro transactions and skins really that will make eve great. Yup having a really pretty pink fking ship is what makes eve great.
No, better mechanics and fixing issues are what will make EVE better, but SKINS help bring in money that they can spend on improving the game.
I highly doubt they will roll back the SP from those who have used the pack. It would be a nightmare, not least of all having to process refunds.
and now I’ve also just lost the game. thanks for that.
Yeah, and why am I seeing ads in the form of links to Pcgamer in here? I think the only thing CCP can do now is to just make the entire game free to play and make the money from sales of plex only.
