CCP killed highsec PvP

Will there be stuff I can have?

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This 100%

+1 for being short, sweet and to the point.

:wink:

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Since when could you drop corp in space?
I was pretty sure you had to be docked to do that.

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That’s stupid. Think about it.

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Think it was something to do with exiting the ship and decorping from pod then re-entering ship while a flagging mechanic went to ■■■■ over the change in combat rights. Saw a few pretty angry complaints about people doing that a while back.

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It actually makes sense. Complaining just to complain achieves nothing. But offering a solution or a possible alternative to the problem, that is helpful and constructive.

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It makes 0 sense. Discussing a problem is the first step to solving it and complaining about something even without suggesting a solution is often a great way to publicize an issue you cannot personally solve. It’s incredibly stupid to hide behind a buzz slogan that doesn’t actually have any substance. I can understand maybe not complaining about something that currently cannot be solved, that makes sense you see. Not talking about a problem unless you yourself can solve it is insane. Stupid conversation really.

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Awh… that almost hurt. I don’t wanna be a HS ganker, so I don’t even try. Telling me I’ve demonstrated no work/little success in something I don’t intend to do doesn’t really hurt. As for the rest, it’s easy to know it’s possible to be successful, since people do it regularly. The OP should learn from others instead of complaining. I wonder how many people who tell carebears to HTFU have actually engaged deeply in carebearing… :thinking:

Thanks for the psychoanalysis. I think you’re a bitter ganker who has nothing to contribute either but at least had the self-restrain to not whine about it. Too bad you didn’t restrain yourself from launching in a more energetic defence of the OP than his own as well.

Where did I complain about something actually? You know what salt refers too, right? Was it when I said it doesn’t look too bad if both sides complain? Or in the last thread about ganking where I actually was arguing against doing anything more to protect people? You seem pretty salty to me, actually…

As for not knowing anything about PvP, what was it again? Oh, right, “in EVE, you engage in PvP the moment you undock/login regardless of what you do”, “PvP is also the hunt and avoiding it”, all of those things gankers tell carebears but then when it comes to knowing about PvP, of course you only do if you have a green killboard. Double-standards?

I live in highsec, I see gankers regularly and I (generally) don’t lose my stuff. I know the risks, I see people who get blown up, I see people who blow other people up, and I think it’s all right. Actually, you’re probably right that it’s pretty easy on people who don’t want to get blown up. So, what do you think should be done? Or do you want to continue lashing out instead of being constructive?

Gee, thanks for correcting my phone’s auto-correct. I am well aware, as shown by my use of the correct acronym in my first post here. You must be waiting your 15 minutes criminal timer or something…

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Hmm I think one of the biggest problems CCP have with balancing high sec pvp is that any tool you receive is a potential grieving agent, like how command destroyer’s mjd’s can’t be used in highsec.

If they where allowed it would solved your problem with people being tethered becuase you would just move them off, but at the same time someone would sit on jita undock and just move a whole lot of people into a killzone(cannot dock to save themselves) with smart bombing bs’s ready to wreck face or something xD.

well I agree that CCP has literally buttfucked any kind of highsec PVP, and then when voted that HS wardeccs needed a drastic change CSM’s response was “put it on the back burner and focus on nullsec stuff” CCP has literally destroyed every single tool used to actively hunt targets (both combatants and non combatant targets)

Unlike large regions of nullsec where every one is a blue or target, And without the gang like turf system in place where if you want to kill goons, you go to goonspace… in highsec, hunting targets presents a unique challenge that as of this moment has no solution other than flailing alts around aimlessly through the hundreds of systems in hopes of stumbling on the target, You Could run locates sure, but how do you know if the target you’re running a locate on is online? Is the solution to first, travel between hundreds of locator agents just to find out where all of your targets are and then check each location one by one? If they gave us a way of telling if pilots are online it would fix most issues… provided most mercs weren’t already too far gone with the easy gameplay of camping jita or amarr for “sport”

Any response of “if you want pvp go to low/null” is nothing more than advocate for hs being a literal safespace for their hauling alts

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If you want conflict, take a trip to null through low. You can find all the conflict your heart desires.

Oh, you want conflict with unarmed industrials in systems you can run away in to dock up all nice and safe with an NPC corp…

Makes sense.

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Yah this is pretty much what gets me about this post. It is not even conflict the OP wants. They just want to prey on silly miners in a way that is not what already happens.

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i don’t see what gives you that impression, I think he’s just complaining about the lack of methods for actually accommodating an engagement in highsec without sitting there and scheduling a fight like morons… you don’t get bait tactics like cyno’s and bridges in highsec to spur an engagement, which leaves WH’s or logoff traps instead…
Both are too static to be any kind of real reliability in the new emerging mobile meta

I tried to make it through the OP’s wall of text, but the “socialist taxed utopia” nonsense made me realize that I should not waste any more of my time.

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Wardecs are messed up, for sure. They cost very little and, although it sounds like being able to shoot people at anytime in HS is huge, pretty much the only thing people do is camp trade hubs because nothing else is viable. I think they should be more expensive or more restricted (ie you can only have so many active at a given time) but should also allow you access to some easier mean of getting Intel on the other side. Like tapping into the HS comms/local networks to know if war targets are active and/or where they are so you can go and play with them. Maybe nominate a region or constellation and you get intel when war targets are active there. Then there’s no more hiding and blueballing, you can actually evict competitors from systems you want. Also, something should be done with hiding in npc corps to avoid all wars.

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i didnt even read op yet
i just scrolled down to comment on this obligatory post and here it is
ty for commenting i will now go back and read the op

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okay i read the op and it is kinda garbage

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Highsec PvP is utterly trash.Sebo tanked noobs with several neutral logi alts that’s all there is to it for many years now.Before the web and nano nerfs there were actual mobile groups hunting targets and so forth but neutral logi was,still a thing.

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Low Sec makes fights all the time without these things. The only reason you would need more ways to force engagements in high sec is to fight people who don’t want to fight you like miners, and such. If the enemy wont fight you blow up there citadels and go find more things to shoot. If you want consensual PvP where you might get a good fight go literally anywhere else in space other then high sec. Good fights happen all over New Eden. High Sec is supposed to be policed space when you are in policed space they guy with the biggest gun does not win.

The only form of PvP that CCP has ever killed in high sec is a predatory behavior that has no place in policed space.

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That’s all well and good but its still not a valid reason to leave war in the crap state its in now.

Warsfucked and no amount of goodfights in other areas of space change or diminish that.

Edit: to clarify, I’m not sticking up for the op , he’s a cartoon cutout pretending to be a PvP’r and this is a whine thread but I’m backing Pheonix Jr

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