CCP plans to remove PvP from HS

Not true. You can prove the hypothesis that the average height of a male in the UK is X feet Y inches and conclude your hypothesis is true by sampling every male in the population. No need for belief.

That is not a hypothesis, that is a simple measurement, leading to a data set on which you can perform some statistical analysis. A working hypothesis would be e.g., males in Wales are of smaller height than males from other parts of the UK because of “some reason”. Bad example.

It is when you haven’t made the measurement.

Words have a very precise meaning and definition in science. We’ll stop the discussion.

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You are just wrong sorry. Your working example is the exact same as the example I gave, only you didn’t specify a specific height. Sure, I omitted the reasoning because it doesn’t matter for the point I was making. My only mistake is giving you rope to ignore the actual point.

no, you are just completely ignorant on the topic.

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Wrong about what. All you have done is rephrase what I was already saying and then somehow I’m wrong because you mischaracterised and then misunderstood it.

The title of this thread could be seen as a hypothesis, as it is based on vague data and no reference point but fears and hopes :rofl:

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This would promote tag sales or pve mission grinding and could be great for Eve.

The bigger problem at play here is that the majority of people who engage in mmo’s are not pvpers, and infact are not inclined to do it at all. This is more about growing the population of eve and facilitating good player count that could facilitate people going to other places and doing other activities.

High sec really should be a place where minimal (but some) pvp exists, and it should be on a “flag up” sort of mechanic, similar to how wow does theirs.

it already is, its incredibly rare for someone to be shot in highsec, apart from me who is going to shoot you.

oh lol nice troll

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You always bring out the best in people! :laughing:

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Meh, it’s like ebb and flow :smiley: And I even had to look up what “incel” meant, haha.
Have to give it to the OP that the devblog did contain those words. As to the meaning of them, it might be something as simple as “unable to dock at npc stations if security status is lower than -x”. Or a threat to expand hisec and create a war a la triglavian invasion. Or whatever. Eliminating pvp from hisec would make about as much sense as ccp handing out 10B free isk to all hisec krabs every year. Fat chance.

But it wouldn’t facilitate a higher player count. Eve’s ACTUAL target market is not your average player. Continuing to try to FORCE eve to attract your regular player is only going to kill the game faster. I know you all want WoW in space but you can’t have it. This is OUR game. The scum-bags, the wierdos, the gankers, the misfits, the scammers. OUR. GAME. If you do not want to be scammed, ganked, harassed, trolled, or most importantly non-consentually PvPed then GET THE ■■■■ OUT OF EVE.

I do not come to WoW and cry on their forums that people do not drop their gear when I kill them. Why in the ■■■■ are you coming here asking to take sandbox PvP gameplay out of a sandbox PvP mmo? Go somewhere else. PLEASE. YOU ARE THE REASON THIS GAME IS DYING.

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No, Eve’s target audience is person who puts money in the game. that it in truth. You guys try to argue like eve does not need or want these high sec, non-pvp types for the game but the truth is a large amount of the game (high sec) is designed for them and other parts (low sec) are designed to gradually lure them out for more risk/reward.

At its fundamental level eve was designed for both types of players, one of them just got up and left the game for other options (probably elite dangerous since it seems to be timed mostly with the exodus of 2010).

Its your game just as much as it is their game as well. On the very deep level we are addressing a psychological issue with your group in the game, namely, that you dont want eve to be changed in a way that does not fulfill your psychological triad of dark tendencies. You want to abuse, molest, harass, and anything else under the sun the other players of this game so you can feel better about yourself. This is ultimately the battle that is taking place when we talk about changes to high sec, because if these area’s are changed you wont be able to do that largely anymore, because you know that the other targets you could do it to will actually fight back. and this is ultimately the main truth in discussions like this.

Am i though? was the advocation of getting rid of station camping good or bad for the game? We’d have to introduce non-consensual pvp to eve to be able to really know consistently if my positions are actually good or bad for eve, and if they are actually killing it.

What we do know is that you, and people like you have had decades to argue your position and produce results, and frankly that has yielded no considerable improvement to the game.

This is a very, very big problem for the argument you and others like you produce.

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No it’s not.
Because the person who puts money in it,tomorrow will not because he asks to delete the game.

CCP ■■■■■■ the game up. They started pandering to players like you around incursion and player counts dropped by almost 50%. It’s very clear. This is not a game for the feint of heart. Sure you can come and casually PvE. If you’re smart you might even be able to do it safely. You SHOULD NOT be catered to in any way though. Removal of PvP systems has historically reeked HAVOC on player numbers.

This is the mindset right here that has been killing the game for a decade. It’s not about easy kills. Its about EMERGENT CONTENT (read: every engagement is a completely new and unique set of circumstances). “Fair” PvP is not fun in eve. There is no goal and the meta is always stale. Look at the popularity of Eve arenas. Dead on arrival. Nobody wants that ■■■■, it’s boring and the fights are decided before they even start.

MAYBE you would have a leg to stand on if Null-Sec and Low-Sec were overflowing with PvP content but they’re not. They’re even more dead than HS. CCP has turned away most of their PvPers already. They’ve been trying to trade us for WoW-rejects for a decade and all CCP has managed is to gut their player count. The proof that I’m right is there, in the numbers. You just do not want to admit it.

You cling to your ignorance so that you can continue to feel justified in your biases.

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It’s not. Numbers tell what people want them to tell, without a worry about non-numberized things as “truth” or “admit”.

No the numbers line up with exactly everything I’ve been saying on these forums for 10 years. I’m speaking truth.

We traded 50% of our playerbase for crimewatch. You can visit eve-offline for the proof. If that doesn’t tell the tale then you’re too far gone to be reasoned with.

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can you factually prove this?

Evidence?

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