CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels

Again, you are either a low-grade moron with reading comprehension issues, a troll, or both. My bet is both.

What I said was fix the issue with risk-reward.

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Dry your eyes, mate.

The only issue is your inability to actually cut it.

Face the facts, and stop demanding the game is changed to account for your inadequacy.

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If you want to troll and have a pissing contest, great. I can do this all day.

Keep coming at me. Got any more?

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Oh, you poor little bee. Did Mommy Bee not pick up your toys after you threw them out of the playpen?

Come to think of it, you’re right, Goons are the ONLY EvE players who have ever had to sacrifice anything for EvE. CCP should give every little bee 500 trillion isk just for logging into EvE to ease their suffering, it’s only right…

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Goons already won EVE.

Unlike what the trolls portray, I don’t begrudge them winning. They have had good ideas, and strategies (e.g. their focus on industry), and they have good organization with their SIGs and everything else. They are probably fun to be involved with, as there is probably ‘something for everyone’ in their organization.

I just think we can do better with aligning stated goals (risk vs. reward, etc) with reality, and other areas of space deserve some attention besides sov null.

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Its not gonna happen.

You are gonna have to decide whether its something you can live with in EVE, or not.

I can definitely live with it. Nothing is perfect in life. I’m just pointing out flaws and making suggestions, same as anyone else does on the forums.

Thats fine, and good luck.

As a resident of a small null pvp corp, i think you are looking at it with (grass is greener) googles.

There are advantages, and disadvantages for everything. While you can be envious of big nullsec alliance members making loads of isk, you forget all the other stuff they have to deal with for that security.

  • While you will get a great feeling of achievement when docking up with 1 bill in cargo, for them it’s just another day in the belts.

  • You can spend time and planning getting that one good kill, and get the shakes and excitement of it. They will have to do with traveling endless systems to find something not blue. And when they do, they are one of the 50 people barely getting a shot off, before the target dies. No risk, no excitement.

  • They will make allot more isk p hour then you do, and can get their super fairly fast. But when they do, they are not special. they are just piled into a blob with the other supers, and can sit there all day in 10% diti not having fun.

If they are to go out of their territory to get some action, or do something different, they are suddenly on par with you, and will not have the advantage of a mega alliance in their back.

It all comes down to what you prefer to do. While you might be jealous of their safety and wealth, they probably also wish they had you’r freedom, sense of gain/loss, and variety you experience.

o/

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Except that many changes in EVE have invariably benefitted them more than anyone else, not as a matter of scale, but mechanics.

Yes, thank you. I guess I never looked at it that way before.

Being burdened with all of that ISK… I guess it could be like a ‘poor little rich girl’ syndrome. Money can’t buy happiness.

Not being able to get in on kills or find enemies to shoot at if your life depended on it… yeah, I can see that. The loneliness of it all, the monotony, the hollow boringness, the emptiness of space.

Thank you for opening my eyes to that. You are of value, Beatrix Ski.
o7

If you are only playing in order to increase the number in your wallet, and not for any experience inherent within that, I can see why you are so salty.

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Right, coz I’m just filled to overflowing with salt. I’m like an ever-flowing river of salt. I’m a veritable salt volcano.

What can I say? That’s just me.

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@Beast_of_Revelations

I don’t know if you were being ironic :smiley:

But besides being burdened with all the isk, there are allot more stuff you have to deal with, even if you’r not into pvp.

You have to be on comms, and you will have “that guy”! I guess everyone know who i’m talking about. hotmiking, eating, bad bad jokes. ect.

You will have to deal with politics, renting, and all that. - You can not go to this system, and anot go to that, if you get caught ratting in a system you are not assigned, you risk getting the boot.

If you don’t feel like joining cta’s in a period, or you can’t due to rl, people will hassle you, and threaten you with the boot.

If you are sick and tired with the space you are in. You will have no say in where to go, and what to do.

Aaaaand you will have to deal with local kings, and senior members thinking they can boss you around and treat you like a slave.

but hey, you’ll make allot of isk.

(I’m not saying every big alliance have any of these things, but … you know, there is probably a reason you are not in one :D)

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  1. Join them.
  2. Fight them (and lose).
  3. Talk on forums (futile on this issue).
  4. Focus on what makes you happy in EVE.
  5. Leave EVE in disgust.
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What you describe certainly exists, and even more things, like the colonoscopy they give you by requiring all your keys to spy on you before you can even join. I don’t even want the government to spy on me, and it’s why I don’t have facebook accounts, a cell phone, etc. But now I’m gonna pay to play a game where people spy on me?

Sure, I get it. All your points are very good. Some of these things are mitigated by size of the corp/alliance, for instance if you are in Goons, I doubt Mittens himself is gonna raise you on coms and boss you around. You are a ‘faceless cog in the machine’ and can probably do as you will as long as you adhere to some basic rules (like not shooting blues). But the smaller the corp/alliance, and the more the ‘leadership’ takes itself seriously, the worse the factors you describe.

I do want to say again that this was meant far less a critique on the sov nullsec cartels, or a comparison of solo play vs. group play, and more of a critique on how risk/reward is implemented, and some other aspects of gameplay.

It’s really not an ‘OR’ list, and I think you miss the point of some people posting if you really think it’s futile.

First off I have ‘Rl’ and ‘In game’ friends in goons so I understand a bit about what they do. I don’t begrudge them anything. CCP created the rules for this game and they are using them.

One thing I realized many years ago, most (if not all) of the people at CCP, love this game. This is more than a job to most of them, it’s also their passion. Listen to them talk, they deeply care about EvE. I too care about this game. I’ve played for over 12 years, and while I took a break over the last few, I never let any of my accounts lapse since I always knew I’d return. I remember the weekends where we broke 60k players, where we broke 50k everyday during a week. This is not an EvE is dying view, but more an EvE isn’t going in the right direction view. CCP has often said that what they want most is people to play their game, so I can’t imagine they are happy with the trend in EvE over the last 5 or so years.

So like others I present my opinions of what I have seen that is and isn’t working. If CCP agrees with some of my opinions and do something, fine. But really if they even read what I and others write, the goal is accomplished. Ideas are presented. And despite what people may think, CCP does read these forums.

I couldn’t care less if the goons have ‘won EvE’, I play EvE to hang out with friends, spend some time together, have some laughs. Nothing the goons (or anyone) has done has prevented that. However, quite a few of the almost 50% player loss were rather good friends, whose company I enjoyed. They are gone from EvE, and I am not overly happy about that and I’m sure there are many others that have experienced the same thing. I would like to see that trend changed. I would like to see EvE growing again.

Good points, I’d add one more.

When you have all the isk you could ever want/need, your desire to even log in begins to drop. EvE players need goals, without them, they stop wanting to play.

I could not agree more, for me this is EvE at its best.

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Its useful as venting, but its futile towards change.

This ■■■■ is so ingrained/systemic in EVE for a decade, it is not going to change.

I can absolutely get behind that. +1

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