CCP screws everyone but big nullsec cartels

One guy is doing something productive, collecting twigs, maybe for a fire to prepare some food for himself and his family.

Four useless guys are posing with weapons that could be used to kill other humans. They don’t look like psycho wrecks, so they haven’t been to frontline war yet.

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Teamwork brings war, no teamwork brings peace as everyone is out there gathering sticks. :+1:

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Frankly, my level of jealousy, or anybody else’s, doesn’t matter one iota. Insert any other emotion you want - hate, love, greed, anger, etc. Doesn’t matter. You could also bring in other things that don’t matter - how ugly I am for instance, how poor I am (space poor or real life), etc. Doesn’t matter.

What matters is 1) whether what I’m saying is true or not, and 2) if it is, should anything be done about it.

It seems that even all the sov nullsecers posting here agree with #1 and don’t deny it. The disagreement is over #2.

Note that in responding to you, I care nothing about actually engaging with you personally. You are a useless troll, and trying to discuss anything with you rationally would be like trying to discuss something with a stop sign. No, in reality I’m speaking to all the others who read your horsesh!t and drivel and who may not have the mental capacity or reasoning skills to separate the wheat from the chaff.

What did you want again?Free stuff for single players?Play a single player game.

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If you want to know what I ‘want,’ it has been spelled out over and over again. If you have reading-comprehension issues, I can’t help you with that. If you have attention span issues and can’t be bothered to read and understand what is written, I can’t help you with that either.

I don’t recall ever saying anything about wanting free stuff for single players. What do you want… free stuff for multi-players?

I do recall saying that different areas of space are treated vastly differently by CCP with no particularly good reason if you consider the propaganda or boilerplate that is constantly repeated. For instance you hear the mantra of ‘risk/reward’ yet wormholes are treated like dirt while having the highest risk (not to mention convenience, amount of work/time needed, etc), while sov nullsec is treated like royalty while having less risk, more convenience, etc.

So, again, I don’t recall saying anything about single-player vs. multiplayer. I do recall saying something about areas of space, and what the design goals of the game are supposed to be regarding that vs. what they actually are.

I don’t give a flying crap about spelling it out to you if you are illiterate or a troll, but for people just coming into the thread and reading your last troll statement, I guess I’ll spell it out for them. Thus this response.

I see your fellow wormholers boasting 1bil/hr income doing sites what’s the problem? A null carrier ratter makes 180 mil an hour in bounties.

Both these activities are on similar level as far as gear wormhole needs dreadnought null needs carrier.

Altho I haven’t tried it myself people mention over 1bil per hour doing burners in hs and more in npc nullsec.

Just what null gets so much of?Minerals is one obvious thing I can think of.

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Ok good, you are off the trolling and onto serious discussion, and making points worth responding to.

You are right, I have seen some wormholers boasting about huge ISK in C6s or whatever. And I’ve seen other wormholers say that’s nonsense once you factor everything in that needs factoring-in, plus such riches are only available in C6s. So what’s the truth here? I dunno, it’s debatable I guess. Perhaps I’m not qualified to say, and someone else can chime in.

I do know I spent one solid year in wormholes and didn’t make anything near what some noob just inculcated into the Goons would make at 10 times less risk, 10 times more ease of logistics, free intel in the form of local chat, etc. So that’s one data point I have, anyway.

And yet you can consider c6 equal of a good null true sec system those guys boasting huge wh income rely on Intel aswel as friendlies and si do the guys in null .Currently rorquals are at around 150 mil/hour and can be easily multibox ed but comparing a rorqual investment to a capital it’s much higher.

If you look at wh space now it’s a very empty environment in the c6 are as hard knocks and Lazer hawks will evict anyone so they can roll into untouched wormholes for farming so the content is out of reach sort of speaking.

Look what isk printing machine have Goons in Delve…
https://tagn.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/june_2018_npc_bounties_by_region_bar.png
If anywhere or anyone in EVE was in that position we had a lot of people rolling on the floor in tears crying and screaming about botting and about how CCP allow such outrage to go on.
But in exchange we have here the goon alts who vomit their usual crap and try to convince us that flocking in a huge alliance is a merit who need to be rewarded with a spam of money.
■■■■ off!

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It’s human nature to band together for safety and it doesn’t apply only to humans . In EVE since loss is supposed to be significant no wonder goons did this.Most other large entities have a very fractured goal as they stand for example corps mostly look out for themselves and even individual players do. By having SIGS goons optimized and banded together people better than say a group like NC. ever will.

The current Delve model was working when goons lived in deklein before getting evicted just they had no rorqual changes to make use of.

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Huh?! So this is all your reply about goons getting more ISK in bounties than all other EVE players together?! A excerpt about gregarious nature of humans?

You seem very jelous of the goons.Remember they are a very large alliance compacted into basicly 1 region Ofcourse they get alot of bounties if they don’t just sit on their asses all day shipspinning

If was not a very serious issue i may found your comment very funny.
So grinding ISK is not anymore a carebear sin? Ohhhhhh, i see, they are making ISK in null in perfect safety, but if was about highsec you will tell us awesome stories about risk vs reward from your personal EVE bible…

There’s plenty of stuff dying in delve daily but you’re to ignorant to count that into the ‘‘perfect safety’’ spin you’re so fond of

When you can print that obscene amount of isk is very clear that is something very wrong. And if goons not had CSM (and a lot of sympathizers in CCP) i assure you that this issue was very quickly fixed… :wink:

What @Dark_Engraver is saying is that Delve is the result of human behavior that is a part of the game because humans play it.

Once a faction establishes an area of space that offers a fair degree of safety and profitability above the baseline offered elsewhere people are enticed to move to that region. The more people move to that area, the more powerful the effect and the stronger the lure to move there becomes over your other options.

The complaints about this region are proof of that. For whatever reasons we may have, some of us don’t want to be a part of Goonswarm Federation, but we still want to live in Delve and have what they have.

Those who don’t choose the easy way have my respect, but moreso those who also strive to build for themselves in the present that which they would like to have in the future.

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The reason other groups aren’t doing as them is because they’re not as coordinated or as many by numbers and other so called elitist groups don’t allow their farming alts in main alliance so they stand alone all over the map getting easily picked on in renter alliances without the defense and firepower of their main alliance

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That graph is based on regions not on alliances. So no region, with all alts and bots and whatever you want don’t come even close to the isk orgy who happens in Delve.

You understand it totally o7

As I said before goons have alot of members and they also have blues some of which make use of delve too that’s a very big number of active players heck they most likely have even their enemies alts farming under their protection

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