You forget - it’s not CCP’s game, it’s Balos’ personal property…
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remove the FOB.
PS: what am i thinking, this is a Balos thread, he doesn’t want to play the game, he just wants to troll the forums with his mindless crap.
I personally like the npc miners for the immersion factor although finding empty belts means moving on and in systems with low number of belts it means changing system.
Overall a lot of empty belts in high and low sec is in line with a resource scarity scenario. However ccp could provide some alternative mining spots and here is a possible idea:
Ccp could instead of giving players a shove into null and wh by a scarity scenario move a part of null to every system by introducing an outer belt with random spawning anoms that can be found per d-scan or probes only.
This outer belt should start 15au from the farthest out planet to 50au from the farthest out planet. It has no stations and offers no concord protection. On the one hand it ofers free roaming space and a feeling of unpredictedness on the other end it lacks the choke fishing point gate camp and has a fall back the inner system.
The anoms should be anything from pirate nest to asteroid agglomeration.
This idea reflects the kuiper-belt and I’m not entirely shure if the engine is able to provid such a zone. Wel just an idea.
one where a miner can get angry about npc miners or try his luck in a dangerous landscape.
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I was a goon for about 8 months. Since i had no interest in anything but mining and local buyers were not paying as much as Jita prices i could; in fact, ship all my ore compressed to highsec (except one type). Also, If someone out there in Delve is only interested in mining and selling your ore, move it via the goon shipping service either directly to Jita or sometimes it is less costly to move it to Amarr first then have an highsec shipper move it to Jita, you WILL make more isk from your compressed ore sales.
I cannot believe, no matter the length and breadth of my ego, that I alone in nullsec figured this out and that I alone dumped approximately 90% of all my ore onto highsec, helping to further crush highsec mining incomes. While it is true we dont mine Veldspar, we do mine plenty of ore that contains tritanium and thus the market for tritanium and consequently veldspar in highsec is in fact being crushed by nullsec rorquals.
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How do you remove a station.
NPC Miners come from more than just FOB’s.
Your statement implies that there was some massive groundswell of highsec miners asking for eye-candy level immersion changes to highsec mining which i know to be absolutely an unmitigated LIE.
I have read and been involved in forum discussions the entire 5 years i have been playing EVE and have read the non-stop influx of ‘my suggested changes to mining in EVE’ and those requests did not amount to eye-candy levels of immersive change but rather mechanical changes to mining. Your characterization that some significant number of ‘carebears’ ask and got immersive changes to mining and that the fact that NPCs now mine out belts is just a reasonable outcome of that request, is not merely just disingenuous slander and fact distortion but again an absolute and unmitigated LIE.
Your posts are always full of lies and distortions of fact but even the low-grade posting I have come to expect when i see the name Daichi Yamato did not prepare me for the fact distortion level and fallacy filled piece of **** that is the entire substance of this posting.
I can only sit in horror at the intellectual prowess of the five people that ‘hearted’ your post without apparently even doing the simpleton levels of thought needed to see your post for the distorted, manufactured piece of garbage that it is.
There have been several suggestion over the years for more npc immersion, including npc miners, by carebears.
They would use reasoning like ‘i want the game to feel more alive/immersive’ and complain how their backwater systems seemed empty.
They got what they wanted. Npc’s so alive they mine.
Poetic justice.
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Not even close.
If this were true, we would not be building and selling, and we would not have so many carriers and supercarriers on contract in Delve.
Average 5-10 Nidhoggurs ALONE are being bought on the market. EVERY day.
If what you said was true, and if people were making such a huge profit selling ores in hisec and moving them over, then they wouldve done it, and we wouldnt see such a huge influx of nids that are sold cheap, instead of making billions in hisec.
I wish i could agree with this but even at a level of 10% this works against CCPs stated goal of increasing player retention which SHOULD be at the highest levels of priority for EVE going forward.
CCP has stymied its own stated goals of player retention with game additions of this sort that only end in irritating highsec players into finding other games to play.
To CCP,
When will you stop shooting yourself in the foot and hire developers that care about game play outside of nullsec.
As long as your developers are nullsec-centric developers, all other areas of the game will continue to flounder because nullsec-centric minded developers can only see the game as it pertains to nullsec, it isnt that your current developers don’t WANT to help other areas of the game but rather the far more problematic issue of being completely UNABLE to see the game beyond their nullsec centric glasses.
You MUST hire people that care about wormholes, lowsec and highsec and that those developers that get hired must not only understand the game mechanics of wormholes, lowsec and highsec but MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL, share the MENTALITY of the people that play in those areas of the game.
A developer CANNOT develop content for people they DO NOT understand and that is what you have been trying to do since game launch.
/end rant
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Reiterating something you already said doesnt make it true, what makes it true is you finding old posts "several’ by your own accounting and link them.
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The problem with you is black and white thinking, a problem I personally do not suffer from. You believe only one outcome is possible when you are presented with two possible outcomes, whereas I am able to discern when both are possible at the same time (because they are not mutually exclusive).
Goons can and do dump ore onto highsec. Goons mine so much from DELVE that producing what you mentioned many times over isnt even an effort for them.
I mined in DELVE and sold ore and nothing else. I could have made more reprocessing it and making things from it. I, however, did not wish to do so and so only considered how could i get the most for my compressed ore and the answer was, ship 90% of it using the goon shipping service to Jita (either directly or via Amarr).
That YOU cannot or did not do something doesnt mean OTHERS cannot or do not. I used the word ‘doubt’ in my previous post to indicate that I am not attesting to know what all other people in nullsec are doing with their compressed ore but only to indicate that it is HIGHLY unlikely that I alone in all of nullsec was dumping their compressed ore onto highsec and further i implied, but did not attest to, my belief that nullsec is still dumping ore into highsec because the base dynamics of supply and demand state that DELVE being overabundant in compressed ore production will not have the highest buying offers but rather the highest buy offers would come from places like highsec that cannot even get some types of minerals available in nullsec and would consequently be hungry for compressed ore from nullsec.
The fact is that given that highsec production is more of a thing now then when i left the Goonswarm owing to private ownership of means of refining and production, the situation of dumping nullsec ore into highsec is probably occurring at a greater rate then even when i was a goon.
Were talking about this in the context of how Delve crashed the minerals market in hisec, and this isnt true.
You even admit it here:
Thats the point.
All the hardcore miners, who multibox rorquals would rather build supers and titans and sell them for more profit, than move them to hisec, incur jump freighter costs, and hope to sell it at a profit in a volatile market.
Again, no one is saying that others cannot or do not do it. Im sure theres a guy who just bought a rorqual, on one toon, who thinks hes going to make more money shipping it to hisec instead of building stuff in delve.
But the actual miners that make up the majority of the mining in delve by multiboxing insane amounts of rorquals, who are renting and utlizing the moon mining stations, are not going to do this. They are going to make more money in nullsec. They are going to get better refinery rates in nullsec.
None of these miners are stupid enough to move their ore from null to hisec, refine, and build there.
Can i ask where you got this from? Even by looking at the metrics, i mean, nothing beats jita, but Delve is pretty damn high up there. Why do you think hisec production is a thing?
Even if goons are not selling to highsec (Something debatable since that’s where a lot of the ore used to go hence the market gluts and the whining over ABC prices), the goons are not buying low ends from highsec in the same quantity they used to because they got CCP to add massive low ends to Null that never used to exist.
So either way, they are crashing the highsec ores market. It doesn’t matter how, they are doing so because they complained till CCP broke the whole idea of interdependent sectors of space and gave the whole schebang to null.
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Thats a laugh.
Lets ignore the fact that the all the ores available in hisec are also available in null in the asteroid fields.
Lets ignore the fact that it is absurd to move that much ore from hisec to lowsec to build, for example, capital ships, both because of cost and time involved.
Lets ignore the fact that capital ship prices have always reflected the ore market prices to build them, something which wouldnt be true if they were shipping low end ores from hisec because of the sheer cost, and no one would be able to make a profit.
Lets ignore the fact that a jump frieghter filled to the brim with Compressed Veldspar, would equal a mere 8 million, EIGHT MILLION tritanium, barely enough to cover an EIGHTH of the trit required for a carrier.
Lets ignore all that.
What does any of this have to do with goons and delve?
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The real fix is to remove mining from high sec. This is a pvp only game and anything else should have more risk for the reward to compensate. Problem solved, no need to worry about npc mining fleets.
Add a flag to moonbelts, that way you can atleast shoot the bots in the moonbelts in high sec. Thos are in general nowadays in an orca fleet in a corp that can’t be decced.
If they wanna use their orca’s safely then let them mine in the regular belts while the NPC fleets mine those aswel.
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425mm Railgun 1. Does it speak something to you?
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Solonius is one of those players that drank the Koolaid but hasn’t actually played the game. AKA armchair expert.
And low sec and npc null sec
… Npc mining fleets spawn there also and cause issues…
So yes… let’s make null the only area of the game anyone can possibly play. I’m sure it will be great for the game…