CCP sucks all flavour out of mining with 'Veldspar II-Grade"

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Except you did not use google as a search engine providing a quotable source, but you used a google AI that you influenced with a suggestive question and weren’t even able to properly post the answer in a readable fashion to the forum.

Here, let me easily do the same for you in the opposite direction:

“why is ore not graded with i,ii, iii?”

Ore is not graded with simple I, II, or III designations because its quality is determined by the specific, precise concentration of valuable minerals (measured in percentages or grams per tonne) rather than broad, qualitative categories. Grades must be exact to calculate economic feasibility, as the “cut-off” grade depends on fluctuating metal prices and processing costs.
Instead of I, II, or III, mining operations use grade control (e.g., XRF analysis) to specifically identify, sample, and classify materials based on their exact economic and metallurgical value

Even if you would want to simplify and standardize it to I,II,III in the way that CCP does, which isn’t the way it is done in your real world, there is no common definition through all countries what highest and lowest should be. E.g. In my country the highest grade is always the first, but for CCP the highest grade is the last.

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you’re saying you cant read the text that I copy pasted to these forums? You’re also saying that a very basic question is influenced by the wording, yet you do the exact same thing. Every question is invariably influenced by the language used to ask said question. I put in a very basic question, you put more quantifiers in yours. We are not the same in this. You want confirmation of your own concept, while disregarding all relevant information.

you claim ore isnt graded, but what you’re really saying is that ore isnt graded as tier 1, tier 2, tier 3. Ore is graded, and grades are applied. You dont like the information because it does not fit your narrative when complaining about a video game applying a standard grade to fictional ore in space.
RP/immersion wise, the grades applied in game denote the concentration of the mineral you want from the ore, as your lasers (which arent really lasers) pull the molecules directly out of the space rock and reconstitute them in standardized blocks in your ship ore hold.
Space mining is very scientific and precise, applying a grade to denote the concentration makes more sense than dense, glistening, fiery etc. Those are unscientific terms, and wouldnt really apply after we deconstruct and reconstruct the raw minerals using our very technical and scientific (not) lasers to mine with.

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That’s right…

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Real life is just something you do when not playing EVE

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If Eve Online were realistic, we wouldn’t travel beyond the speed of light, or have hyperspace jump gates the size of Texas in every system. This topic has nothing to do with realism and everything to do with halfwits making the game too simple. It is about emersion, it is about being at least halfway believable science fiction.

If you are watching a movie and the action hero reaches in his fridge and grabs a generic white can with the word BEER in bold black letters, you lose the emersion of the show. No one drinks generic beer! Why should we need generic ore? For all of you in support of this change, this is what your game will eventually look like with the years to come.

Amarrian faction is Gold faction, Cadari is Blue, Minmatar is Brown, and Federation is Cyan. Ships no longer need names. All the trade hubs just serial number and graded. All your planetary industry tech items just a grid of material grades. You will login to a generic game, unless you stop it here. I have seen this shake and bake process done on other games, I use to play.

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Jita II is cool cuz it’s on the yellow team.

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If this change triggers you that much, can I have your stuff?

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I love my Red Attack Cruiser II Grade.

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I have come up with a solution to this issue. I’ll destroy miners to save them from their depression caused by the ore being renamed. Salvation is coming. Miners can thank me later.

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I used to fly Green Larger Boat III, but recently changed to Yellow.

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Triggered? It is not like I am sitting on top of their Maritime Museum with my sniper rifle. I was expressing this is the beginning of something most players never like. It grows like cancer, the longer you let it sit, the worse it gets. If your answer is there is nothing wrong here, that is a very complacent attitude, and those get buried by the roadside. If you enjoy this game, you need to draw a line in the sand, and tell them you are not happy with generic EVE.

No. Never said I was leaving the game, even if I get reactivated and don’t come back from Europe, I have a person whom I trust to give all my ■■■■ away to Mike.

You can sit and do nothing and you will get nothing in return.

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Your ships deserve a pilot with passion. Respectfully… that is not Mike

Can I have your stuff?

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Agree, it’s not about realism. If EVE was “realistic” (whatever this might be when assuming technology some 20k years into the future), it would be damn boring. Elite:Dangerous somewhat does it and you can sit and watch your ship warp for three hours straight. Then log and go to bed. Wow, that was great!

It’s about presenting a believable, immersive and entertaining universe. And technobabble is a big part of that.

No one would have watched Star Trek back then when the characters would have “solved it, Captain” by pressing a button. They did not “solve it”, they “reversed the polarity on their graviton rearranger”, so the “Hubbert-Maxwell field” could be “shifted in spectrum”. That’s what makes science-fiction so appealing and entertaining.

And too complex for newbies? Too hard to remember? Well, say hello to Type-I, Type-II and Type-III Energy Weapon Grade-S (“S” for “short range”), because how confusing are Dual Afocal, Gatling Modulated or Focused Modulated Pulse Lasers? I can’t remember the properties too, but i happily look it up for the sake of immersion. If you swallow “Ore Type-X” today, “Weapon Type-X” is yours tomorrow.

I don’t want to play a dry, space-themed spreadsheet-in-space game simplified for improving efficiency. I can have that ■■■■ at work. And so can you!

“Golden Omber” sounds like something you really want look for, it sounds precious. Warm. This naming gives this ore a worth beyond “refineable into X, Y and Z”. It transports a tiny bit of a story, it is a piece that, combined with a lot of other small details, contributes to a living universe you can dive into. A “Type-III” is just a cold, efficient designation like a DIN-931/933 screw. There is nothing more to this, its just a thing you use for a purpose. Zero entertainment value.

CCP, stop dumbing down and de-mystifying EVE. We need MORE technobabble, more to wonder, more little stories that make a believable and living universe!

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Seriously! It was a name change! My god you’re exhausting!

You want to use Star Trek as a reference? Fine. Show me video proof of you protesting every single time an extra without a name was killed on the show. No background. No name. No history. Just a guy in a red shirt you’ve never before seen or heard of is on screen just long enough to die in a transporter accident or get shot by a Kilngon disrupter.

I want to see proof of your outrage every single time that happened because if there wasn’t any, every post you’ve made here has been complete hypocrisy.

You’re such a lunatic that you keep doomsaying that this is the end of times. That CCP is going to generic name every ship, system, weapon, module, etc…

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You really should pack yourself into a padded room if you actually believe that.

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What a ridiculous argument, Glenduil.

How is someone a hypocrite for rightfully complaining about a bad change in EVE “if they do not also complain about every nameless star trek character death”?

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Don’t feed the shitbaiters :wink: Mod will have it hidden soon for being offensive, insulting, derailing… ignore list, move on. Zero arguments up there.

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It’s a very apt argument. You people are literally complaining about names while referencing a show that kills characters without names just to have a death on screen.

And you want to be taken seriously…

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No. Only a very narrow mind would think that, because he is unable to understand the argumentation. It isn’t about the names, it is about a design choice that is degrading the game. We are giving feedback to the developers that we don’t like a path of design that is treating it’s customers like dummies, throwing values like lore and immersion out of the window.

But thats the problem with niveau, it can hardly be seen from below…

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I do understand it. And it’s absolutely absurd that you are claiming it’s the end of times.

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I don’t think anyone is claiming it’s the end of times.

People call it a bad idea.