CCP, your event sucks

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I am sorry to say, but the Winter Nexus 2025 sucks.

The concept is great: hunt keys to increase rewards from sites, then run sites to reap the rewards. Too bad this just doesn’t work at all. Not AT ALL!

Firstly, hunting the keys is not fun. It’s frustrating. Why are like ~70% of the LADs empty? Why would you do this? It’s already work enough to hunt them when they warp around and there are other players hunting them as well. Why would you make most of them empty in addition to this? (And no, I don’t think they are too hard to catch, I just don’t think they are worth it.)

But that’s not all. When you manage to find a couple keys and use them, they do absolutely nothing. I used a key that I got from the event track’s Verity Tech Crate. It said it’s supposed to make the site a lot harder and the rewards better. The site had 3 enemies, was easier than the majority of sites I had done by then and the loot was literally the worst I had received so far. The worst.

What is the point of the keys? People are buying and selling them for 20 mil, but they barely increase the loot value by a couple mil - if at all.

The only good thing about the event is the Perseverance.

You dun goofed up. I can literally make more isk doing L4’s, and they are more fun and varied too.

You need to SUBSTANTIALLY increase the rewards from the keys. And even increasing the base loot value should be considered. People can’t run them in marauders in hisec anymore without the keys, so people are not printing isk at similar speeds as previous years. So why is the loot still balanced around marauder speed?

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On top of that, people may pause their regular activities to chase the Winter Nexus BP, which could potentially sell for a billion. However, this shift reduces supply in other areas, meaning you could earn more ISK than usual by continuing with your regular activities. Let’s see how it plays out.

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Have you tried leaving high sec?

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I have also done the event in null. It sucks there as well. Perhaps even more.

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Is it any different this year that last two events of the same name in 2024 and 2023’s winter?

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I doubt it will sell for a billion. It will be seeded on the market later and then will be worth nothing. So this is a very time boxed gamble with a lot of risk.

Also a billion in current EVE isn’t that much of value as it used to be.

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I don’t know about ISK, but I found this item which encapsulates forever “if I don’t lose it” a historic moment from this year.

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It’s not really too different from the previous year with one clear exception: hisec sites can’t be done with a marauder without a specific key.

The keys are obtained by hunting npc ships called LADs, which can be found either by dscanning or probes (within ice storm systems).

However, a good portion of these LADs are empty. And some drop only useless, valueless flavor items. And those that drop a key might not drop the right kind of key. Thus, it’s completely impossible to reliably farm keys to do the event in hisec with a marauder at such speeds as previous years.

But the sites themselves are still balanced around marauder speeds. The loot + bounty is generally around 5-7 mil per site, and since the speeds you do them at are vastly reduced from previous years, you’re getting out L4 mission levels of isk.

And no, the null sites aren’t much better, though you can enter them with a marauder even without a key.

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Ya I kind of have to agree. Having those haulers be just a complete waste of time was kinda lame. Found 12 only 2 dropped anything and I said screw it. Done with the event not even interested anymore.

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I sold mine for 900 mil. Could’ve probably sold it for a bil.

The only good thing in the event, as doing the event track was only 5-6h, maybe 7 at best.

But regardless of that, the isk/h isn’t great.

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No one cares about highsec.

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I am sorry to say, but the Winter Nexus 2025 sucks.

The concept is great: hunt keys to increase rewards from sites, then run sites to reap the rewards. Too bad this just doesn’t work at all. Not AT ALL!

Pretty much this. Will finish the event track today and I’m done with this mess.

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Now, if you had bothered to read the rest instead of just wanting to seem smart, you might’ve noticed I elaborated on how it sucks elsewhere as well.

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Participate in the event, or don’t. That’s your call. You’re complaining you don’t think the event is rewarding enough, and that’s 100% a you problem. Try not quantifying your game time, it’s a game and it’s supposed to be fun. Rating an event based on its rewards is making that event into a second job. If isk is that important to you, go do the thing that makes more isk, it’s not that difficult to figure out.

There’s no way CCP is going to make everyone happy, and anyone with a modicum of rationality understands this. Voice your opinions in the surveys they put out periodically, where they actually read it. You don’t need to announce your departure from the event to the rest of us.

Go be Cranky Carl in your missions, let the rest of us enjoy our event.

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Participate in the event, or don’t. That’s your call. You’re complaining you don’t think the event is rewarding enough, and that’s 100% a you problem. Try not quantifying your game time, it’s a game and it’s supposed to be fun.

I have described how the mechanics of the event COULD be fun but ARE NOT CURRENTLY because of a fundamental mistake, which has nothing to do with the income. It is not fun to chase empty NPC ships around.

Rating an event based on its rewards is making that event into a second job. If isk is that important to you, go do the thing that makes more isk, it’s not that difficult to figure out.

The event doesn’t have to be the BEST isk in the game, that has never been the point. But when the event is effectively WORSE than previous years - because the isk-per-site is still balanced around the marauder grind of previous years, but they don’t allow marauders in anymore without a key - then that’s not good design.

There’s no way CCP is going to make everyone happy, and anyone with a modicum of rationality understands this. Voice your opinions in the surveys they put out periodically, where they actually read it. You don’t need to announce your departure from the event to the rest of us.

I have never understood people who whine and moan even when it’s against their own interest. Nothing I’ve said about the event is ruining YOUR FUN, since my arguments are only intended to make the event BETTER.

Also, giving constructive criticism on the forums isn’t forbidden (it’s encouraged as far as I’m aware), and you have no say whatsoever on what I can or can’t do. And seeing as multiple people agree on my points, I’d say I’m very much correct in my statements.

Perhaps it’s you who should go elsewhere, if my criticisms don’t please you.

edit: oh yeah, and if this was just about isk, I could make like 10x the isk/h doing some crabbing. I was looking forward to doing this event because it might’ve been a breath of fresh air on the old formula. Instead, it ended up being a net negative on every level. And it could be fixed very easily by tuning up the keys.

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I have to agree, although for different reasons. The “reward” clearly stated “Perseverance Blue print crate”, not a “Perseverance Blue print COPY crate”. These ships will be ganked seven ways to Sunday over the coming weeks. I for one would not have bothered at all with Nexus if I’d known it was only a single-use bloody BPC.

Now, I’ve no idea what a BPO for this would cost, but I do know the effort and endless bloody grind was NOT worthwhile for a single-use BPC. Nice rip-off!

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Why would anyone think they were getting a BPO from this? That’s… an extremely silly expectation.

How many faction ship BPOs have you seen?

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It’s only “silly” if you have game experience that informs that judgement. I’m a new player, and the limits of my BPO’s are pretty low level. Consequently the notion that a BPO was the reward was not unrealistic according to my game experience thus far. I regard failure to make this plain on the Nexus thing at best sloppy, and at worst, no better than a scam, as it was very misleading language. In any other line of business, failing to deliver what you describe in a contract or “offer” would be grounds for complaint or legal action. If the contents were a BPC, and a single use one at that, then THAT is what ought to have been stated. Had I known that the result of 2 days or so slogging at a mind-numbingly boring “quest” - or whatever you want to call it - was a single use BPC I’d not have bothered with it. To my mind, CCP indulged in “sharp practice” here, and no matter the penalty to them, ought provide what was actually written on the item. Any reputable company would, if the fault is theirs. They could have called it a “Perseverance x1 BPC” and then it would have been obvious to all. But they did not.

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That’s not BP, that’s “single use BPC” if we’re going to be accurate.

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Bad boys and girls don’t get good loot.

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