Exactly. The players I met who started as new who didnt sit around a rock lasted a lot longer as subscribers.
In fact back when I was a new player, hanging with some of the personalities who exploits I read about here was what got me into actually playing and not blush mining in a badger.
/methinks this is what Ramonaās question refers to
Might be wrong but I just woke up so meh 
Thousands upon thousands of players started mining rocks, thousands of which are still playing.
This is complete nonsense you are trying to argue here.
Are they enjoying the game tho? Seeing most of them are afk when they mine (lol)
Itās not just you, if that helps. Iām sitting here shaking my head in sad disbelief at the complete reversal of his position and his feigned (or actual) igorance of his own previous statements. 
Iād say heās deliberately trolling you. Not like thereās no history of that, is there. 
No Salvos its my personal experience.
The players I met.
Not you.
I know he is thats why I dont reply when he knows very well what I mean but still asks.
Observer bias.
I started out mining myself.
So did thousands of players youāve never met.
What did you do when you started EVE?
Seems they are enjoying the game, or they wouldnt be in the game.
Itās okay if you didnāt know any better lol
I mined maybe a week, then I went straight to missions because mining was boring as f
And I looked for something better to do with my gametime than to stare as rocks and hearing the asteroid is depleted over and over again 
Not playing the game at all or playing it while afk is pretty much the same lmao
Some people like to mine.
Where do you think all the raw materials required for all EVEs production come from?
Uh
Nullsec
People donāt become trillionaire by mining veldspar in highsec lol
And that is byā¦ mining?
How else do you mine rocks?
Certainly not in a revelation or a nyx
Its not about whether people can afk mine (as we are choosing to call doing anything where you can be ganked for being careless) its about iffering further protections for people who choose to make themselves vulnerable by changing the game to make them safe.
What does a completely dafe place teach anyone about risk, if it supposed to make them ready for it?
Anyone can choose to afk mine and theres even things you can do to try and mitigate the risk while ādoingā it.
I make Billy afk mine all the time. I dont care if he dies.
So by mining.
Okidoki.
What?
Where have I proposed a completely safe place?
Again, a pointless question. You know exactly whats being talked about.
You can stop trying to pass for a total idiot, or try to make others like total idiots by ignoring most of what is said
Itās always the same with you, empty arguments to try and be somewhat relevant, but always failing
No, I dont.
Where, as you claim, have I ever proposed a completely safe space?
Where are you getting this idea from?