Come on!?

[Xeux]

@Tipa_Riot

have a foot in every kind of space.

Except Pochven. I hate that region.

[Tipa_Riot]

I know, I like Pochven, I can’t imagine my EvE without anymore.

[Xeux]

Trig lover.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Ash_Beldrulf

No high sec is not the safest place in the game. Look at the dotlan link. High Sec loses more ships yearly then Null sec and does not have 1/10 the reward.

It’s the safest place to make money in the game. The dotlan link says that in the three months of 2021, highsec - with a much, much larger population than nullsec - has lost just around 90k more ships than nullsec. That doesn’t bolster your argument.

The rewards in highsec are vastly higher than in nullsec now. Go look at the MER and see the mining statistics for the game - highsec mining is bringing in more wealth than nullsec by a very, very large margin.

@Ash_Beldrulf

War decs got nerfed because it was driving players from the game and costing CCP money, PERIOD. Don’t forget the cores got added to pay out to war dec corps while the defenders got nothing.

Defenders get cores, too - that’s what they win when they kill their opponent’s war HQ.

@Ash_Beldrulf

Jita is the major trade hub of the game because of small Null sec alliances and stupid players still trading there but what ever.

Regardless of the reason, it’s still the main trading hub.

@Ash_Beldrulf

You must not understand. The issue I have is the game is worse for miners, indy and market players after 1 1/2 of nerfing with NO CARROTS! All while having ALL of the added risk for the rewards that got removed.

The reaction stuff hits every ship battleship up. So no more freighters, Orca, etc for the time put into the game.

You for get to say while high sec is the solo supplier for Tri but that us lie Null sec has anoms and get tri now.

The game is the best for high sec mining it has ever been. I honestly don’t know what you’re complaining about. Yes, this change will require you to buy some new materials for some kinds of higher end ships, but ever T1 ship can be built largely with stuff you get from highsec, and the costs of all those ships is going to go down. Yes, the reaction stuff hits every ship battleship up - which largely impacts nullsec more than anything, especially capital production.

Unless something has changed that I missed, trit is a highsec only material.

[Tipa_Riot]

And Pochven

[Brisc_Rubal]

On second thought, let’s not go to Pochven. 'Tis a silly place.

[Xeux]

I hear they are going to move the NPE out to Pochven soon.

[Anderson_Geten]

@Brisc_Rubal

The rewards in highsec are vastly higher than in nullsec now.

it depends on the activity. try to farm anoms in HS.

[Ash_Beldrulf]

@Brisc_Rubal

The dotlan link says that in the three months of 2021, highsec - with a much, much larger population than nullsec - has lost just around 90k more ships than nullsec. That doesn’t bolster your argument.

DOTLAN EveMaps: Stats from 2020

2020 about 900,000 more ships killed in highs sec. The yearly summary can be changed.

@Brisc_Rubal

Defenders get cores, too - that’s what they win when they kill their opponent’s war HQ.

The attacking corp only has to drop the station it does not have to have a core in it to war dec. So no core.

@Brisc_Rubal

The game is the best for high sec mining it has ever been.

This is a lie sir but actually an opinion. I am stating facts. Before the moons stations got added high sec had 5 of 7 minerals to make ships. We also had anoms to help cover some the null sec minerals. We had no NPC miners and had a LOT more ore to mine. We had no NPC miner, we no Bloodraider NPC mining fleets, we had no bloodraider FoBs with roaming fleets and we did not have trigs either. So no High Sec mining is not in a good spot at all. You know about the High sec spawn formula for ore, the one where the npc miners amount count against it. So NPC mine it one day and make the game spawn less the next day, it stack on itself.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Ash_Beldrulf

2020 about 900,000 more ships killed in highs sec. The yearly summary can be changed.

And highsec is the most populated, as was noted elsewhere. And that’s total ship deaths, including gankers losing 30 catalysts to Concord to kill one hauler. You’re not comparing apples to apples to draw this conclusion.

@Ash_Beldrulf

The attacking corp only has to drop the station it does not have to have a core in it to war dec. So no core.

It has to have a core to finish anchoring. Both sides should have to have cored structures at this point, unless somebody is using a grandfathered war HQ.

@Ash_Beldrulf

This is a lie sir but actually an opinion.

If it’s an opinion, it can’t be a lie.

@Ash_Beldrulf

I am stating facts. Before the moons stations got added high sec had 5 of 7 minerals to make ships. We also had anoms to help cover some the null sec minerals. We had no NPC miners and had a LOT more ore to mine. We had no NPC miner, we no Bloodraider NPC mining fleets, we had no bloodraider FoBs with roaming fleets and we did not have trigs either. So no High Sec mining is not in a good spot at all. You know about the High sec spawn formula for ore, the one where the npc miners amount count against it. So NPC mine it one day and make the game spawn less the next day, it stack on itself.

February MER

January MER

December 2020 MER

November 2020 MER

October 2020 MER

September 2020 MER

For every single month - the top ten mining regions in the game for the last six months, 8-9 out of 10 regions were in highsec. Every single month for the last six months, highsec mining values were exponentially larger than those in nullsec or anywhere else in the game.

You can claim there are different mechanics in place that didn’t exist before, but these numbers here are clear - people in highsec are mining more and making more isk doing it than in nullsec, and they have been for months now.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

@Brisc_Rubal

unless somebody is using a grandfathered war HQ.

Thought that grandfather stage was already passed, so now any and all should have a core to be anchored properly

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras

Thought that grandfather stage was already passed, so now any and all should have a core to be anchored properly

There may be some that have been in space from before that haven’t gotten blown up yet. But that’s not likely to be true in another couple of months.

[Ash_Beldrulf]

@Brisc_Rubal

And that’s total ship deaths, including gankers losing 30 catalysts to Concord to kill one hauler. You’re not comparing apples to apples to draw this conclusion.

So those 30 bombers to kill one afk ratting null bear doesn’t count either then? A destroyed ship is a destroyed ship. Attackers and destroyed ships are apple to apples.

@Brisc_Rubal

For every single month - the top ten mining regions in the game for the last six months, 8-9 out of 10 regions were in highsec. Every single month for the last six months, highsec mining values were exponentially larger than those in nullsec or anywhere else in the game.

Now take away the 10-20 reduction in Tri demand because of the blueprint changes. We all know that is because the null bears are not working because of the war. The null system indexes prove that. So the data is bad. Once all the null bears get back to work all the data will shift and we both know it.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Ash_Beldrulf

So those 30 bombers to kill one afk ratting null bear doesn’t count either then? A destroyed ship is a destroyed ship. Attackers and destroyed ships are apple to apples.

Those bombers don’t die. This is the point.

Highsec = 30 catalysts to kill one freighter = 31 deaths
Nullsec = 30 bombers to kill one freighter = 1 death

@Ash_Beldrulf

Now take away the 10-20 reduction in Tri demand because of the blueprint changes. We all know that is because the null bears are not working because of the war. The null system indexes prove that. So the data is bad. Once all the null bears get back to work all the data will shift and we both know it.

No, it’s because of the changes made to mining that have made it harder and less lucrative in nullsec, coupled with EHP nerfs and other things. The vast majority of nullsec isn’t impacted by the war - there are maybe a dozen regions that are actively fighting right now.

[Tursiops_Truncatus]

@Brisc_Rubal

The game is the best for high sec mining it has ever been. I honestly don’t know what you’re complaining about. Yes, this change will require you to buy some new materials for some kinds of higher end ships, but ever T1 ship can be built largely with stuff you get from highsec, and the costs of all those ships is going to go down. Yes, the reaction stuff hits every ship battleship up - which largely impacts nullsec more than anything, especially capital production.

Unless something has changed that I missed, trit is a highsec only material.

High sec is not the best its ever been, if it was, I would still be playing EVE. You CSM are full of ■■■■ with your Orwellian lies. Over 13 years I lived in high sec as a miner/industrialist. Ore redistribution destroyed my sandbox experience. You CSM are worthless and did as much to destroy EVE as Rattati did by turning EVE into a pay to win scam for Pearl Abyss. 6 active accounts removed from the content inside of EVE. The CSM, the DEVS, and Pearl Abyss turned a loyal cash paying whale into a disgruntled ex customer.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Tursiops_Truncatus

High sec is not the best its ever been, if it was, I would still be playing EVE. You CSM are full of ■■■■ with your Orwellian lies. Over 13 years I lived in high sec as a miner/industrialist. Ore redistribution destroyed my sandbox experience. You CSM are worthless and did as much to destroy EVE as Rattati did by turning EVE into a pay to win scam for Pearl Abyss. 6 active accounts removed from the content inside of EVE. The CSM, the DEVS, and Pearl Abyss turned a loyal cash paying whale into a disgruntled ex customer.

I didn’t say highsec was the best it’s ever been, I said right now high sec mining is the best it has ever been.

If you don’t play the game anymore, stop wasting my time with your useless posts.

[Azalais_Selenica]

@Brisc_Rubal

I said right now high sec mining is the best it has ever been

It was the best in 2019, now its not even worth doing

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Azalais_Selenica

It was the best in 2019, now its not even worth doing

Really? Because as I noted above, highsec mining is the most lucractive mining happening in EVE right now.

[Renly_Rohan]

@Brisc_Rubal

Really? Because as I noted above, highsec mining is the most lucractive mining happening in EVE right now.

Better than others now is not quite the same as best ever.

Aside, I am well set up to ice mine, and if I do, the profit will be near double what it was just a few months ago. But the hassle is probaby four or five times more because of excess competiton from players and especially multiboxers and the simple fact that I have no idea when or where there is going to be an ice belt. I actually have a life and things to do and in order to ice mine, I needed some certainty so I could plan ahead. Its all gone now. I have not bothered even trying for months.

Of course, that’s just me. If a majority are loving the changes, that’s fine. I will be happy to do my other activties if everything is fine for the clear majority. But is it though?

[Anderson_Geten]

@Renly_Rohan

of excess competiton from players and especially multiboxers and the simple fact that I have no idea when or where there is going to be an ice belt.

It’s been like that in exploration for years.
Many people start by doing thing in a chill way ; then they realize it’s actually competitive.
Anything that is worth and shared is competitive in HS. You even have people that go scanning other people ded’s.