The association with Zainou and Ishukone clearly shields you to a fair degree politically, wouldnt you say so?
Coming from a quote description of IKAME
“IKAME agents seeks to retrieve items of interest to advance the state of the art for its parent corporations, the State, and New Eden.”
I dont understand where you got confused to what I expressed.
Not confused in the slightest, Mr. Sepphiros.
Just wondering what there is to shield. Indeed, as you’ve established, Itsukame-Zainou pursues the Liberal tradition. We believe in multilateral, mutually beneficial arrangements. The Ishukone family of corporations has been involved in momentous achievements, from the first mating of morphite to Capsuleer technology to the development of TCMCs to the deployment of Insorum. Ours is a belief in the potential of man, and the potential of technological development unfettered by nationalist sentiment.
What is there to shield?
It’s tacky, it’s unergonomic, and it’s not even a proper shade of green. Oh, also, from what I can tell, it’s… well, it’s sort of a dangerous plasma based weapon capable of killing a human, right? I imagine there are some reasons for its rejection. Tongue in cheek commentary aside, there’s a reasonable extent at which violations of rules in the manner of exquisite social commentary can be made. Battles can be picked, and they should, and you made an error in tactics for this one. Perhaps such a stand may be more emotionally vivid for a younger audience?
Comparing the refusal to allow an area settlement with… TCMC slavery? Is a bit trite, honestly. On the nose. Elementary. This is especially true when the Kingdom is reviled for its extensive cruelties in slavery. Your home, by the way, is yet rife with crime and good, good standings with Serpentis and, by and large, the Angel Cartel. Your home is very friendly with a group who practices chattel slavery for profit. Are you outraged at that, by any chance?
Aside what your beliefs are, close or not to your parent corporation, if you feel that you dont enjoy the natural benefit of protection from a Megacorporation I dont know what to say. Its either that you downplay their involvement into your culture or you didnt understand what my response to your question was. In which case I was clear into stating that there is a form of political shield above you. One that if you were to express fundamental differing views from them(and to tie it with the thread in hand, not to derail it) would be put into questioning.
At least thats how its perceived fundamentally a relationship of a parent corporation to a subsidiary…you might have grown much more powerful to care about these things…I wouldnt know.
That’s many words to not much affect, dearest sir.
But as you will.
Suffice it to say, that I believe the consortium’s multinational, multilateral exploration and research ventures put it in good stead across borders, and that diving into partisan political frays is something that doesn’t do justice to the larger venture.
Winds help us all if everything devolves to litmus tests about hot button issues.
If you don’t mind, I am curious about this incident and your reasoning and I have a few questions. I appreciate your forbearance as I have been spending a great deal of time out of the pod and am perhaps slightly out of date.
I’m a bit confused about the aim here. You state you knew you would be killed, which implies that was your goal as you don’t mention anywhere else your immediate motivation for pulling the blade. The… rather non-standard use of ‘egregious’ to describe your hosts suggests this too - I assume that you realize that had you been immediately killed by armed guards no one would have been able to ask you anything?
Banning you from the establishment and asking for an apology seems like a more than reasonable response. Unless there is a cultural difference I’m not familiar with - I have some Intaki relatives and none of them has ever mentioned anything like this - I don’t think that brandishing a blade is a common way of starting or furthering productive conversations. However, based on what you wrote here it seems as though you thought that there would be a productive conversation and then the armed guards would kill you? It’s entirely possible I’m misunderstanding, but I would appreciate clarification.
Can you elaborate here? Is your sample for this the people at a party where you waved a knife around? Which questions? Questions about why you were ‘brandishing’ a knife? It’s unclear, at least to me - were you upset because they didn’t ask you more questions, or were you already talking to them about the issues that concern you, and you are upset they didn’t ask more questions when you started waving around the knife?
Have you done this other times, with or without a knife, and people have not asked the questions you want them to ask? Which questions would make you feel like a blind eye wasn’t being turned?
Did you ask people to condemn this? I mean, before the knife waving. As I said, I’ve been largely planet-side recently, so I may have missed it. Were there requests for condemnation? The cluster is a place filled with horrors, Mr Nomistrav. I expect if your friends and colleagues condemned every wrong done in it, they would have time for little else. I think that it is fairly widely known that there is an illicit slave trade that victimizes people from nearly every part of the cluster to one degree or another. If you were not aware of that before, perhaps others who don’t read much ACN weren’t aware of it still. Do you think this is the most effective way to bring their attention to it?
Considering that those of Intaki identity control a large portion - possibly a majority? - of administrative and bureaucratic functions in the Federation I don’t know that ‘No one’ is totally accurate. Haven’t there been a number of Federal presidents who were Intaki?
In a similar vein to my earlier question, you say that waving a blade wasn’t enough to motivate them to acknowledge your concern. This suggests that you think that is a useful and productive way of communicating your concerns, is that right? Did you try asking without waving a blade, first? Again, I may have missed it, I’m not always good about checking my mail. I wonder because if you went straight to blade waving, and then straight to condemning everyone from there, people might mistake all of this for melodrama and an excuse to fabricate and then perform outrage. I’m sure, instead, that it is a simple miscommunication, or I missed your previous attempts to bring this to people’s attention.
Given the possibility that you have a rather non-traditional communication style here, what would be more drastic? Do you think that ‘more drastic’ measures are also more effective at communicating? At winning people to your side? Is that your goal? Or do you have a different goal?
I look forward to your responses, and I appreciate your time Mr Nomistrav.
The supposed ‘shield’ of a mega disappears the second you embark on a life beyond them. Are they still a large part of our life? Yes. SuVee will always be a part of my life. But they have no impact on my reputation or safety now that I am on my own. There is no shield. You seriously misunderstand this way of life.
SuVee does not shield me. It does not protect me. It merely is a part of who I am.
If after asking for a clarification twice on the same thing, upon which you are given a response, you put forth that words are not much to affect…then winds indeed help you for devolving to litmus tests about hot button issues.
You asked, I obliged. Nothing to test there. Unless accidentally I did.
But I am certain I didnt.
You ask little, and imply much. But do continue your campaign. Best of luck to you on your venture.
Uh oh, looks like someone’s an expert in Knifey-Spooney. Better give up now, Nomistrav.
Aino;
That’s a fair assessment. At the Inquest, ARC (in that instance, IKAME, SFRIM, PNS as security contractors, and numerous independents) operated largely without oversight, supplementing Society security and voting in favor of the measures of, in turn, all the sovereignties.
In the case of the Tukoss incident, we again operated indepedently.
And, ultimately, I’m sure we didn’t receive any particular favor or disfavor when we acted against the Vigilant Tyrannos fleets appearing in secure space earlier in the year.
The entire angle is just-- well, let’s go with fascinating. That seems judicious.
It does not pain me to admit that my employment with IKAME - and the Consortium, by consequence - is now probationary. I did not ask before waving a blade. I expect that my time with the Consortium, and the opinions I have espoused regarding the Intaki were more than enough to clarify my position long before hand. It should have come as no surprise that after a year and a half of employment with the consortium the tenacity I hold for these values and for my people. Especially considering where I come from…
The threat of more drastic measures was empty. The nature of my actions at the gathering were more than sufficient a foundation to provide that that threat could be real… it was not. Yet it all served its purpose: It garnered this dialogue. At the expense of my reputation and subsequent vilification, perhaps, but it did garner the dialogue… I feel that it should never have come to my blatant disregard for diplomatic ties to do so… but I felt that I was not given much choice.
The Intaki are a people of words. We think before we speak, and moreso before we act. Perhaps my methods are not fair. Perhaps my methods would be considered ‘childish’ or ‘edgy’. If that is the sacrifice I must make to raise awareness to the desperation the Intaki face… Then so be it. I’ve done my job and I have no regrets.
Your actions resulted in the opposite of your intention. There is no genuine discussion of the topic you hold dear. Only discussions of your infantile behavior.
Think before you act. Your goal is not attention to yourself, supposedly. That is all you have accomplished.
The fundamental part you’ve missed in all this Nomistrav is that many of us knew nothing about this particular issue regarding the Lost Idama till after the party and after your antics. I believe the news broke out some time during proceedings, and most of us were socialising and not fanatically reading the latest press releases. That would have been rude to fellow conversation partners.
No, what happened was you read the news and instead of telling folks, inquiring, asking, you decided to go all the way to 11 on the escalation scale of 10.
Mr. Sepphiros, if they would be under Ishukone and Zainou responsibility, Makoto would be sued for her public slanders. Usually when you shield someone it means you take responsibility of their actions as well.
What Makoto did is not tolerated in Caldari State.
And it doesn’t really matter whom they sell their “booty”. What you should know, that she’s a liar who has been caught on her lies. And it means that making any sort of business partnership with this person is not better than making a business with some local Jita folk, who push you goods 1000x price by putting some extra zeroes in contract.
The reputation is everything in the business world of the State and Makoto blew it up with her public lies and slanders.
I distinctly recall you being asked what was wrong when you first stormed into the bar, and your reply being to accuse and insult everyone around you and not explain anything about what your problem was. Then you were politely asked to leave because you were making a scene. And that was before whatever mess happened outside with you waving a weapon around.
No, “thinking before you speak” is the furthest thing from how you were behaving. You acted irrationally, out of anger, and demonstrated a complete disrespect to the people around you. Yet now you’re demanding respect for yourself and pretending that you “meant to do that to create dialogue”? Bullsh*t. Take responsibility for what you did and apologize to your hosts.
Discussions have already occurred between myself and SFRIM’s diplomat, Karene Avarr. I can assure everyone that IKAME isn’t taking this flippantly. However, this is an internal matter at the moment.
Nomistrav’s opinions are his own.
Now, I need a holiday.
Oh, it’s a blade. Judging by the shape of it… it’s some kind of vegetable-chopper or maybe a mini utility hatchet? I dunno. It’s pretty impractical for just about anything else, though.
I appreciate you taking the time to respond, Mr Nomistrav. I have a few more questions regarding your response - I hope that’s alright!
So, if I understand correctly, because you assume your friends and colleagues knew about your opinions, everyone else in the Consortium should have voiced public condemnation regarding this one, specific victim of the illicit interstellar slave trade right away? Without prompting from you, the person most in tune with issues regarding the Intaki? And the best solution when they didn’t was to wave a knife around?
Do you think that people felt your actions at the gathering were a ‘real threat’? Do you think that it’s possible that since you have mostly talked about yourself - your actions, your opinions, the things you think, the things you’ve done - it is more likely that this thread will tend to focus on you? I think the name of the particular slave in question has been mentioned once so far, and not by you. If she is the focus, do you think that is the way to go about bringing attention to her? Is the dialog likely to focus on her?
Do you think people are likely to vilify you for waving a knife around at a party? Or do you think that it might be a less dramatically satisfying effect on your reputation, like not being taken seriously or being an unpopular party guest in the future? Or do you think that people would vilify you for holding the utterly uncontroversial opinion that the illegal slave trade should be opposed? Is that your opinion? Or do you only think it should be opposed when Intaki are the victims?
Do you think that trying to ‘get out in front’ of this ruining your reputation by re-framing it as something you willingly sacrificed on the altar of this ‘dialog’ might undermine the credibility of that same sacrifice by looking like an attempt to portray yourself as a martyr rather than someone who acted inappropriately and impulsively at a social gathering to make himself the center of attention?
What were these thoughts, before you acted, Mr Nomistrav? I would be interested in the chain of ideas that you had before your actions that leads from ‘helping Ms en Waro’ to ‘waving a knife at party guests’.
In what way do you think that perhaps your methods aren’t fair? Fair to whom?
Which desperation? There are, of course, Intaki who live in desperate circumstances - there are people of all races and identities that do, I’m sure. Do you believe the Intaki in general are in desperate straights? Would you purport that your current actions are to bring attention to a general problem with conditions for the Intaki, or are they regarding this specific incident?
Thank you, once again, for your time Mr Nomistrav. I appreciate any insight you can give me.
So, the man being an unrepentant pillock aside, I do wonder if his intended audience would act or even just make face noises condemning this particular act of slavery? His hypocritical wrath only coming about once it got personal would indicate otherwise, but I’m curious. What would the ‘neutral’ entity who conducts military operations in my people’s space say about this?